If you are a Brit abroad you will have more rights post Brexit than if you are in the UK

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Verhofstadt said he was "optimistic" that a deal could be reached "in the coming weeks in the interests of the Union and in the interests of the UK.

He urged EU negotiators to offer a right to "unhindered onward movement" for UK nationals living in the EU, allowing them to move home and work between the 27 states, in return for a "right of lifelong return" for EU citizens currently in Britain who move away from the country in future.

I was in Downing Street and they are ready to go for such a trade-off," said Mr Verhofstadt. "If the Council were to push for such a solution, it is a trade-off that is possible.

From the European but covered elsewhere too.

So basically if you are from the EU living here you can come and go as you please.

If you are from the UK living in the EU now you can come and go in any of the 27 countries.

If you are from the UK and live in the UK your movement will be restricted after Brexit.

Fucking marvellous.

PS it's spelt umbrella.

Are you British, and if you are, why do you have so little respect for your great language? If you're not, get a fucking spell checker and learn how to use it.

Mistigri wrote: ' You and you stupid, racist, kleptocratic friends '

Ps it's spelt your.

Germany has the ability to create nuclear weapons but in the post World War II era it agreed not to possess nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. This commitment is written into international treaties.

how jolly convenient for them!

No, it was very convenient for the allies who had conquered Germany and at that time still occupied it.

how jolly convenient for them!

If that's your considered response to the fact that Germany is a signatory to binding nuclear non-proliferation treaties then you are just trolling.

What's your point? Do you want Germany to have nuclear weapons? And why do you want to talk about it on a thread about citizens' rights?

threetrees MN does not censor political views, only personal attacks and hate speech
Post within those civilised constraints and you won't get censored

Posters who keep breaking those rules get banned, especially for racial insults

• the latter hits the white supremacist US posters, who habitually use racist & disablist slurs

Freedom of speech means the right to express your opinion (without hate speech)
It does not mean that others have to agree with you

Some very rightwing posters are snowflakes who feel that other posters correcting errors of fact are censoring them.
They claim to be persecuted, because they are shocked at other ideas outside their Breitbart / Daily Express bubble

There are quite a few conservative posters on Westmininstenders, who value facts and who thrive here, along with those of centrist views and left views.

threetrees If you bothered to read my post on military spending and see the screenshot of the table,
you'd see that Germany spends around the same as the UK on defence - and that the US spends 13-14 x as much.

However, both the UK and the US spend a lot in places outside Europe - like on wars for oil,
whereas Germany concentrates almost exclusively on Europe and minds its own business in other continents

France spends much more than the UK, btw - is the UK freeloading on France ?

Some NATO countries have been dragged into American wars that have nothing to do with protecting Europe and everything to do with wars for oil, for US business to loot defeated coutnries, for the US to extend its power.

The war in Iraq and its aftermath - apart from causing 100,000s of civilian deaths - created a vaccum into which ISIS was able to grow from a previously tiny terror group into the horror it is today.
That's because, not surprisingly, many thousands of angry defeated Iraqi soldiers joined it and this acted as a magnet for nutters around the world

The UK wasted hundreds of British lives in Iraq, many thousands more dreadfully injured and was forced to leave, having achieved nothing positive in the end, just leaving chaos behind.
All for the honor of being the US's poodle.

German governments have followed the wishes of the German public and not gotten involved in these stupid wars, not wasted the lives of their young soldiers.
They have however, spent at last count about $100 billion trying to help the refugees.

If you support democracy, then you'll support the idea that the public can chose whether their taxes go on pointless wars, or on a better health service, on better welfare provision.

He keeps on putting up arguments for them to be easily knocked down

It's almost a sport

Germany could have the capability for nuclear weapons as it has the technology to build nuclear power stations. The leading manufacturer (Siemens) decided to pull out of the manufacture of complete power stations in 2011 and as a country there is a plan to close all 17 nuclear power plants by 2022. I still remember the German protests about their use and development of Nuclear from the mid 1970s, with their 'Atomkraft, Nein Danke' stickers (apologies if the spelling is incorrect).

Yup Germany is overwhelmingly anti-nuke
Any attempt to make them have nukes would be hugely anti-democratic

pretty I gather Scotland is NOT happy about nuke supplies trundling along their roads and Trident being based there.
Democracy fail !
In a proper federal UK system - as I want - this wouldn't be allowed without consent of the Scottish people.

Indeed BigChoc

It's one of the concerns that WM/the Establishment has about an independent Scotland. Where would FUKD put its nuclear weapons?

Apparently Devonport isn't suitable because it's too close to Plymouth and therefore fails the safety case Apparently Scotland's largest city and a conurbation of c1 million (counting Glasgow's surrounding built up areas) doesn't count That's us telt

Redevelop Tyneside? Although shipbuilding finished on a big scale many years ago surely the reason why it was suitable historically is still valid.
I would suggest Milford Haven or elsewhere on the West coast but the oil terminals are at Milford.
Strategically to keep it further from Russian observation either the West of Great Britain or perhaps Belfast (former shipbuilding expertise).

Supposedly there is nowhere in England that is both suitable and safe

because #EnglishLivesMatter
but #ScottishLivesDontCount

I have to admit I am struggling with the concept of 'safety' when referring to 'equipment' specifically designed to annihilate thousands and render a massive area unlivable by anything except cockroaches.

BCF: and what has Germany actually done though, physically, to stop the spread of Isis or the Taliban? have they ever actually put boots on the ground, or do they just go to the ATM....

funny though, because Merkel is happy enough buying energy off nuclear Putin and being protected by SOMEONE ELSES nukes

classic 'socialism' ie. get someone else to pay whilst taking the 'moral high ground'

$100bn on refugees? I bet Assad and co are quaking in their boots ...

Threetrees,
Oh what a small and mean mind you have.
If you have children, do you make them pay you for their breakfast?

that analogy bears no relation to this topic

Nor does any reference to Putin, the German army or much of what you have written.

tell me: when has Merkel taken on Isis, Al Queda or the Taliban?

When has her electorate ever given her the mandate to do so, you know, democracy?

Interesting you should mention Isis here, the direct by-product of the power vacuum created by the (illegal) Iraq war which had fuck all to do with establishing lasting peace in the ME.
Germany doesn't have that one on its conscience.

the questions was, 'what are they doing about it now'

other than hand wringing and virtue signalling, what is Merkel doing about it now?