To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

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I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

@Bearbehind

They're in separate envelopes.

With your address on.

My dogs letter about the wooferendum gets it's own envelope. The letter opener person will be delighted because it'll include a picture of him and he's BEAUTIFUL

Thinking about it I'm surprised she hasn't written to Donald Trump yet actually. Anyway, I can see you disagree but IMO children writing letters is always a good thing. Politicians (or rather their staff) just about always reply to children's letters, they're easy letters to reply to and the recipient is always happy with the reply. Much higher reply rate than celebrities although companies are always good for a reply and often send little freebies to her.

My dogs letter about the wooferendum gets it's own envelope. The letter opener person will be delighted because it'll include a picture of him and he's BEAUTIFUL

Are you actually for real?

I'm not surprised this country is fucked if politicians are really bombarded with shite like this.

How are they supposed to know what really is an issue or not?

I don't think writing jokey letters to politicians is a great idea, to be honest. Presumably the letters have to be screened and it's a waste of resources. I would encourage your kids to write to authors, TV presenters and suchlike.

bear The wooferendum is about asking for a people's vote because the country has had a paws for thought. There'll be a shortage of vets post brexit, people will be poorer which leads to more dogs without homes.

Nothing exists in isolation. Even my dog will be impacted by brexit. The wooferendum is a quirky British thing to draw attention to animal welfare issues if we leave the EU.

Also my MP has ignoref all my letters about DP's meds, people's vote, etc. People who have had responses have mostly had MPs skirt the issue because no one wants to face facts that a NHS staff shortage and medication shortages will cost lives.

@Valanice1989

Actually if anything I think I'd prefer her writing to politicians, and keep writing to them. As she gets older her letters will get more serious and might start to ask proper questions and demand proper answers (hopefully). She's learnt that she can write to these people and expect an answer. I suspect as she gets older the letter writing might fall away though.

We used to get the harvest in without EU migrants before we joined the EU.

Who picked the fruit before the Eastern Europeans?
A brief summary of agricultural work in the last 100 years.

Between the wars, crops were harvested by itinerant workers who moved around the country getting work according to the seasons, by 'gypsies' and by seasonal workers such as East End hop-pickers. Work was hard, wages were at subsistence level and conditions abysmal. ‘Besides these starvation wages, the hop-picker has to put up with rules which reduce him practically to a slave,’ as George Orwell wrote from his first-hand experience - www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/hop-picking/ or hoppicking.wordpress.com/

During WW2, agricultural work was done by people evacuated from the cities, by the Women’s Land Army and by prisoners of war and occasionally by soldiers.

After WW2 the men returned to the UK and to the task of rebuilding the country. There was a need for manpower in factories and construction and as wages were far higher than in agriculture, the industry faced a critical shortage of workers. 400,000 German POWs were prevented from returning to Germany until 1948 (despite the war ending in 1945) and were forced to work in agriculture and construction. Some did so voluntarily (e.g. Bert Trautmann, who later played football for Man City) as they preferred to stay in the UK than return to a war-ravaged Europe. In addition, 100,000 Poles were allowed to stay in the UK as well as a similar number from other Easter European states who were fearful of returning to their home countries which were by then under Soviet occupation.

Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme – 1945 This initially allowed foreign students, then anyone, to come and work during harvests.

blogs.exeter.ac.uk/exeterblog/blog/2016/09/19/who-picked-british-fruit-and-veg-before-migrant-workers/

I'll also point out that such was the shortage of food after the war that rationing continued until 1954 - 9 years after the end of hostilities.

And I’ll add to the above post - the October school holidays in Scotland are know as the tattie holiday -
The children would be in the fields picking potatoes instead of going to school. Can you imagine the threads on here if someone proposed that because of Brexit??

Ginger you always seem to be looking backwards, I thought Brexit was about looking forward to bright new opportunities ?

Agriculture is an industry and like many others has changed massively since the UK joined the EU, but the reasons for those changes cannot be laid wholly at the door of the EU.

If you have time, please look at this video which shows how unready we are in Dover. We cannot easily have frictionless trade. They don't have it in Basle. You also see a Brexiteer inDover getting their mind changed, at least on the trade aspect. He still thinks we should leave politically but not in terms of trading process. Hope this link physically works. Hope Brexiteers take a look.

ginger the Archers isn’t real life you know. You can’t solve this by getting a bunch of students and local yoof to pick and process your produce.

Another group to add to the letter writing is local councillors. If you find out which ones sit on health committees you can ask them to raise supply concerns at committee meetings.

We used to get the harvest in without EU migrants before we joined the EU.

No we didn’t. We had the Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme from 1945, which meant UK volunteers went overseas to help with reconstruction in Europe and volunteers from other countries were accepted into the UK to help with harvesting etc. Participants were mostly young people, often students, aged between 18 and 25.

We also had many more people working in agriculture full-time whose extended family were roped in to help with harvest. Rural areas were full of people whose families worked in agriculture, rather than full of people who commute 70 miles to the nearest big city or work in their garden studio.

No we didn’t. We had the Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme from 1945, which meant UK volunteers went overseas to help with reconstruction in Europe and volunteers from other countries were accepted into the UK to help with harvesting etc. Participants were mostly young people, often students, aged between 18 and 25

Yes, it was a student exchange scheme. I'm not really sure how posting details of a scheme which saw students pick fruit somehow disproves that short term seasonal workers could be found if necessary.

Although of course, when people say 'the British don't want to do those jobs' they generally think they are attacking the shiftless wastrel working classes.

In reality they're actually attacking their own kids, who would rather sit around crying about Brexit, not being able to afford a gap yah and their terrible university fees sprinkled with occasional choruses of 'Oh Jeremy Corbyn'. But offer them an opportunity to pay off some of their fees or save for a gap year by working and they'll get very cross and explain they should have it for free, paid for from the salaries of all the care assistants and builders and factory workers who voted for Brexit.

It's amazing how Remain haven't been able to work out why they haven't managed to convince significant numbers of the working classes to vote with them isn't it?

A good thread here about the situation in Calais:

twitter.com/kimwillsher1/status/1057189040787734528

Interesting in the responses that a couple of people simply unable to grasp that the situation is due to UK choices. Hard to know whether this is someone paid to spread misinformation or whether it represents some pathological inability to face simple reality.

Gingerrogered do you think we will be able to fill the requirement for agricultural labour from domestic sources, or not, given all the structural, societal and economic conditions that have changed since post-war Britain?

In theory, there are enough people. In practice, it's not something that we do any more. We rely on overseas workers.

It's amazing how Remain haven't been able to work out why they haven't managed to convince significant numbers of the working classes to vote with them isn't it?

Oh, we've worked it out, if you tell people there are simple solutions to their problems and that they shouldn't trust objective facts or "experts" then it's always going to be tempting to believe that.

There is no reason whatsoever to believe that problems in deprived communities will be solved by Brexit because the EU wasn't causing these problems in the first place. What would help (among other things) is massive investment in social housing, education and early years provision. None of which is anything to do with the EU.

It's amazing how Remain haven't been able to work out why they haven't managed to convince significant numbers of the working classes to vote with them isn't it?

I don't particular care whether the idiots can be convinced otherwise.
Significant numbers of the so called working class also vote for a Tory party that gives 4 x as much tax cut to higher rate payers than avg earners will be getting, they still go away saying "Isn't May/Tory party wonderful" how stupid is that?

Your class hatred is quite a window in to your mindset, these students you so hate, our are next generation Doctors, Nurses, Physio's, Engineers, Lawyers, Teachers and other professionals we will need to have a high wage/good public services economy and you 'll be the first bemoaning the lack off as you get older.

Stupid people rarely have the self awareness to admit they are wrong and are easy fodder to be manipulated - eg write the lie "£350m per week for NHS" on a coach convinced sooooo many morons, when Johnson/Farage renegade on that promise, the morons still believe!!!

In all class revolutionary wars, its the masses (stupid people) who are used to kill the more intelligent.

The referendum is over. How are we going to get people to vote in a non-existent referendum?

I don't understand this irrational hatred of students and the way they're portrayed as free loaders by some. Back when I was a student, I and most of my friends had low-paid evening or weekend jobs. I mixed with students and non students. As far as I was concerned I thought we were all working class, cause you know, we were working.

I don't understand the logic behind "Oh , we managed before, we'll manage again."

It was over sixty fucking years ago. The world has moved on. We managed without lots of things we have now. Mobile phones and widespread computer use but we'd still be fucked if someone took them away without a proper plan as to what to replace them with.