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To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

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whyispeppainthenightgarden · 23/10/2018 20:33

I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

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frumpety · 29/10/2018 19:40

Also Ginger remind me again how long the Conservatives have been in power ? Affordable housing, social housing, zero hour contracts have gone up or down in those years ?

Gingerrogered · 29/10/2018 19:46

My earlier comment about people lining up to do seasonal jobs was a joke. There aren't. That's why we need people from EU to get the harvest in. Frankly, I don't care who does them. I know the pay isn't great and the conditions are shit. If you need the money you should do it regardless of where you are from. If there's a labour shortage among British workers then EU workers are taking up the slack.

There isn't a labour shortage.

We used to get the harvest in without EU migrants before we joined the EU. It would take a bit of flexibility in the benefits system to allow people to take temporary work and stay temporarily in a different place without losing their permanent accommodation or having to put in new claims. People used to camp or be put up in dorms, E Europeans live in similar accommodations now.

And if students aren't queuing up to do it, they bloody well should be. They're the first to moan about student debt, but they wouldn't take an opportunity to work during the summer and reduce it?

I'm sure the vast majority of remainers' children don't need holiday work. But were I live it's almost impossible for under 18s to find part time work and they are desperate for it. It would be perfectly possible for them to go and camp and pick fruit. Previous generations did it.

Peregrina · 29/10/2018 19:50

In fact we used to get the harvest in with roving gangs of e.g. Irish travellers. I would imagine that they were welcomed with the same enthusiasm as gangs of E Europeans are.

Why blame the EU for the problems caused by UK employers - it's up to them to take on UK students. Why don't they?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 29/10/2018 19:52

It would take a bit of flexibility in the benefits system to allow people to take temporary work and stay temporarily in a different place without losing their permanent accommodation or having to put in new claims.

What and upset the disasterous UC roll out that has already cost millions?

And if students aren't queuing up to do it, they bloody well should be.

Students get jobs in shops and bars near to their university/lodgings. Why would they change this convienance to work miles away in the sticks?

bellinisurge · 29/10/2018 20:03

"I'm sure the vast majority of remainers' children don't need holiday work"
Not really paying attention, are you?
It might suit your script to say all Remain voters are moneyed middle class Waitrose shoppers. Just as it suits other people's scripts to say Leave voters are all ill educated numpties.
I personally don't know a single Remain voter who fits that description. And while I know a couple of Leave voters who fit the other description, I also know plenty who don't.
And I don't fit either description despite being a Remain voter.

KennDodd · 29/10/2018 20:11

We wrote our letters today ready to post. Even the children all wrote one although my youngest didn't want to write about Brexit (fine) she wrote to the PM asking her to make a law that all leftovers must be given to dogs. She things it's cruel that the dog has to watch while leftovers go in the bin.

Hazardswan · 29/10/2018 20:33

kenn have you put your address on the letters? Didn't know the etiquette for protest letters Grin The dog is sending one to asking for a wooferendum.

Also to clarify me nor the dog are MC....

jasjas1973 · 29/10/2018 20:35

@Gingerrogered

Surely this is some sort of wind up? I've heard many arguments to leave the EU (some reasonable and some, well, not so) but no one has ever come out with so much uninformed rubbish as you.

Bearbehind · 29/10/2018 20:42

kenn I know you're a Remainer and I have posted this on another thread but I'm sorry- do you honestly think it's appropriate to allow your child to write to the PM about giving left overs to dogs?????

It does rather undermine how important other correspondence might be.

KennDodd · 29/10/2018 20:42

@Hazardswan

I've put my address on the letters, I expect a reply! If I don't get one I'm going to write again wanting to know why they haven't replied. My 10 year old wrote to the PM a few months ago, she got a reply quite quickly.

Hazardswan · 29/10/2018 20:48

kenn how personal to you have you made it? I got a bit into it with DP illness in my draft and I'm not sure it's right.

Hazardswan · 29/10/2018 20:49
To think people are creating hysteria around brexit
KennDodd · 29/10/2018 20:54

@Bearbehind

Yes I do. She often writes to public figures and has written to the PM before (has three letters from the queen!). As she's getting older she's is getting a little dissatisfied with the replies though as she's noticed that although they always say how happy they are to get her letter, they never answer her question. Loads of children write to the PM, don't worry though, I'm sure she never sees them so they don't take up her time, they have teams of people to deal with children's letters and children writing letters is always a good thing.

Bearbehind · 29/10/2018 21:00

I have actually had some kind of mini epiphany tonight on the back of your post kenn

I'm astounded by a world where people think it's appropriate for children to write to the Prime Minister and ask for a law to ensure dogs get scrap food.

I'm gob smacked that people think shite like that is worthy of taking up other people's time.

Sadly - it's made a lot of things fall into place.

KennDodd · 29/10/2018 21:01

@Hazardswan

Not very. Just two basic questions, please can we have a People's Vote and one other basic question. I do write longer letters asking more specific questions and follow up questions about things he's said in the past. He rarely writes anything other than bog standard template letters back or nothing at all.

Ta1kinpeece · 29/10/2018 21:03

Bearbehind
How would you propose getting our elected representatives to acknowledge that we have a voice between elections ?

Bearbehind · 29/10/2018 21:06

No issue with writing to MP's about relevant issues talk, but dogs getting scrap food - really?

Hazardswan · 29/10/2018 21:07

kenn ok I might keep it generic. Also I think it's lovely your teaching your kids that their views matter and tell your lil'un well done for getting 3 letters from the queen (or palace). I'm highly impressed Grin

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 29/10/2018 21:08

Gingerrogered our modern intensive agribusinesses need a workforce more efficient and reliable than a bunch of pissed-up summer students kipping in a tent.
Farm work is required all year round, it is specialist and skilled.
Would you hand an untrained student a machete and trust them to work ten hours a day?
Farmers are finding it increasingly hard to source efficient hard-working reliable teams. Very few local people want to do the work. They are glad to be able to move up the chain to more amenable work - don't forget, the health & social care sector and the hospitality & tourism industry are also going to be crying out for labour - what would you rather do - pick greenstem daffs by hand for ten hours a day in a field in February, or serve drinks and clean bedrooms?

StoorieHoose · 29/10/2018 21:08

Are we to look forward to all the children going back to their October school break picking the potatoes???
What glorious sunlit uplands are ahead of us!!!

Moussemoose · 29/10/2018 21:09

In terms of a voice between elections it would help if we had an elected second chamber. As I'm sure you are aware the American mid terms are approaching, US elections are scheduled so that they are no long gaps.

Other ways to allow for the electorates voice to be heard include in many countries legislatures are not elected in one go but a third of representatives are elected every 2 years.

An elected second chamber could have elections in between elections for the HoC.

The British system is really very badly organised

KennDodd · 29/10/2018 21:12

@Bearbehind

Did your children never write to anybody Bear? My youngest writes loads of letters, she got loads of free stuff sent to her as well. When she was about six she had a few letters back and forward from a well know children's illustrator, they sent her loads of books and posters and even said they'd come visit after she invited them to stay, turned out their mum lived local(ish) to us. They never came though and sent her tickets to a children's literature festival instead.

KennDodd · 29/10/2018 21:14

@Hazardswan

It's three letters over about six years, its always some nonsense about what a nice hat the queen had or something.

Bearbehind · 29/10/2018 21:16

kenn writing to a children's illustrator is not the same as writing to the Prime Minister.

Stand back and look at it objectively.

They get 5 letters from your family, 4 objecting to Brexit and 1 requesting that a law is introduced to ensure dogs get all scrap food.

Realistically what bin do you think all 5 letters are going in?

KennDodd · 29/10/2018 21:16

She's still thrilled every time she gets a reply although as I said she's now noticing they don't answer her questions.

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