To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

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I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

...with blind faith and optimism lol! that has got us sooooooooo far!

@mellongoose thinks we can just start up factories and we should have faith in our politicians, jeez!

I judge people on actions and their response to (possible) medicine shortages is to tell business to stockpile 200 different types of drug.. what about all the 1000s of others?????

Even if there is a deal, it just delays everything for 20months.

You mellongoose said she works in parliament - I'm beginning to suspect she is TM.

We don’t know that we’ll be in a car accident today, so we don’t worry about wearing a seatbelt. We don’t know that we could be burgled, so we don’t worry about locking the door. And as for buying insurance, what kind of a hysterical doom-monger does that?

I wouldn't do her job!! It might be blind faith and trust, but not necessarily in politicians, but in those with a financial interest in making it work.... I guess that could/should include the politicians, but mostly big business.

I'm usually a planner but I don't feel in a panic like some. Sorry! OP asked and I answered.

"Current government contingency plans for suppliers to stockpile several weeks of drugs were insufficient, said Mike Thompson, the head of the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry, noting that there were no facilities at ports to store drugs at low temperatures in the event of delays".

why should business worry? you see it with the hiking of prices on some very important life saving drugs, making them too expensive for NICE to authorise, they don't then drop the price.... those with money will pay extra via private prescriptions, others go without, its free market economics.

I think the only reason you don't feel in a panic is that you haven't realised the implications, tbh.

I was a medical student during the Gulf war. Wards were closed to prepare for the casualties. Our curriculum was changed - we had tutorials and lectures about dealing with poison gas attacks, nerve gas etc. I was so worried and upset, I lay awake at night wondering why I was bothering to study when it seemed like we were all going to be annihilated . It was a horrible time.

For that reason, I'm allowing myself to stay in calm denial about potential Brexit disasters. It's the only way to stay sane I reckon, as there's nothing we can do to change what the government do anyway.

I always vote by the way, I'm not one of these people who never express a view. But the vote has happened and now it's in the hands of the politicians.

Haven't read every post on this thread so apologies if this has already been linked but here is the National Audit Office's report on our preparedness (or not!) for Brexit in case anyone wants to read it in full.

florafawna, do you honestly think people who will die without insulin are "enjoying working themselves up"?

And mellongoose works in parliament you know so she presumably knows at least as much as those concerned and alarmed cabinet ministers yesterday.

you know what gets me about this? we are reduced to debating whether it will be complete and utter shambles, that is people dying without their medicine, or possibly just disruption, loss of jobs, huge expense in rebuilding a whole series of treaties etc., so WTF are we doing this??!!

should we not be discussing how great our advantages will be? was this not how it was meant to go? Leavers, why the fuck are we doing this? but give me serious, tangible advantages, not some crap about "taking back control", to do what with? and the idea that the EU is solely responsible for austerity... really? with a Tory government here?

a friend of mine from the continent told me the other day that she is heartbroken about the UK leaving the EU, but the only silver lining for her is that now the EU may move toward a less austerity and free market driven policy without the UK's influence...

Excellent point, missperegrinespeculiar. If we're being hysterical, Leavers, then please do tell us about all the good stuff that's coming our way next year to calm us down.

Absolutely cant wait to hear that. "No answer" came the stern reply. I'm very fond of cake and I'm looking forward to having it and eating it too . . . But you promised!

mellongoose some of the products I use have UK-made equivalents. Some do not. There was no need for every country to produce everything as we had a seamless supply chain making for efficient manufacturing throughout the EU. I have not heard of any UK company that has started to make my EU-made items. The company concerned does not have a factory in the UK, so any new UK made equivalent would need to go through the relevant safety and registration process, and be assigned an NHS tariff. That's not normally a swift process. It's not that it can't be made here but that it isn't currently.

If you really do work in Parliament I can tell that you talk to a totally different group of Parliamentarians to the ones I speak to.

This is like some sort of modern day Dads Army

www.ft.com/content/f853b544-d6cb-11e8-a854-33d6f82e62f8?fbclid=IwAR0e1_613KfNzhYHPStIoGOpbF08ZZwDm0GLRQ67uzS6mZOrNjRjWp9AvL8

Paywall jas 😞

Apparently, ALL medicines (and everything else from food to cars) come from the EUEA now, to hear so many speak. News to me. My medications come from an Israeli company and an Indian one for a start as do many others I'm aware of.

Apparently, every commercially available product gets in to the UK now (and must always in the future) via a European Union member state. No planes and boats then? No other countries in the world not in nor friends with the EU?

FFS, the world consists of more than the EU and although there will be many things to endure in the case of a no deal Brexit (oh, how I fucking despise that stupid bastard non word), there will also be many new opportunities.

All anyone not directly involved in the negotiations can do is wait and see, then adapt or go under.

I cannot hand on heart say I'm not a bit worried but all this Chicken Little crap is starting to grate.
This never-ending Brexit frenzy is a drama lovers and exaggerators paradise.

Oh and the Labour supporters who think that political party is the emergency stop brake to Brexit, Corbyn is more of a fan of leaving the EU than the vast majority of Tories. Deluded to think he and Labour would keep us in.

Please tell us about the 'new opportunities', Salty.

Some people so rude. Like a difference in opinion or asking questions make you thick.

You just have to read this thread. It tells you everything you need to know about Brexit.

Apparently, ALL medicines (and everything else from food to cars) come from the EUEA now, to hear so many speak. News to me. My medications come from an Israeli company and an Indian one for a start as do many others I'm aware of.

Apparently, every commercially available product gets in to the UK now (and must always in the future) via a European Union member state. No planes and boats then? No other countries in the world not in nor friends with the EU?

Much of what is imported into the UK from non-EU countries comes via the EU. It is shipped or flown in bulk to ports like Rotterdam and Hamburg, or to freight hubs such as Schipol, before being shipped on in smaller units to the individual markets.

The problem facing all imports, from the EU and non-EU countries, is that after Brexit everything will need to be checked at customs. 260 million customs declarations would need to be processed each year after a no-deal Brexit – almost five times the current 55 million. There is no system in place to do this - only one of 12 new “critical systems” is likely to be ready after planning was undermined by “political uncertainty and delays in negotiations”, the National Audit Office (NAO) has concluded.

The UK ports and airports will clog up with freight unless the government decides to just wave everything through - which of course is a crook's charter.

One of the main issues with Brexit supporters was that they wanted 'control of our boarders'. Well they will have the control just not the staff or the infrastructure.

Goods of all kinds and from many places will be held up at the boarder, or we let everything through. Organised crime is looking forward to a nice profitable Brexit.

@Talkstotrees that FT link posted by Jas was to the one about the government commandeering ferries (!) and I think you probably only need to read the first paragraph to get the gist - see my screenshot below.

It's through the looking glass territory.

The government is rumoured to be planning to charter ferries - it cannot commandeer ferries as relatively few merchant ships are registered in the UK, so the government has no ability to take control of them.

Unfortunately there are very few ferries and their crews and officers just hanging around waiting to be chartered.

Even if the government manages to charter any, the lorries still need to clear customs in both the UK and the EU ports - if the ports can no longer cope with the current level of freight, they won't be able to cope with any additional ferries either. Sending the ferries to other ports will not help either as these lack the necessary clearance facilities.