To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

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I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

I work in pharma and it’s going to be disastrous, deal or no deal. People who think we’re being hysterical apparently don’t understand just how globalised and complex business is these days, especially compared to 50 years ago.

There was an excellent post upthread from a pp describing the impact on the wood industry. Easy and simple to understand. And worrying. Then consider the impact on mores technical, complex industries and LISTEN to the people talking from within them. I’ve not met a single person within my industry who isn’t dreading Brexit.

Where is the OP? Does she/he still think we are all hysterical?

kenn nah they've gone stockpile shopping, ordering prescriptions early, that kind of thing...

mrs

wotcha is it true the cold store meds are the biggest worry?

Or haven’t just can’t be bothered with getting called thick all the time

Oh OP don't be so hysterical...

Or haven’t just can’t be bothered with getting called thick all the time

But Remainers get called "hysterical", "traitors", "remoaners", etc. all the time. They still answer questions.

I have never called anyone a traitor or a remoaner.

Just hysterical.

There is a brilliant way to prove you are not thick. Put forward an argument as to why Brexit has a lot of positive points and explain them to us.

However, if you simply make general rhetorical statements about 'freedom' and 'sovereignty' people might think you are a bit thick, because the arguments you put forward are intellectually vacuous.

I’m not a britexiter or remainer that’s my point, I have always been a deal with it when it happens kind of person - been through to much crap to sit here worrying and some stuff I’ve read on here (not this thread) people think the world will implode and are stockpiling crazy stuff -like school text books ?

Do you think the NHS has never planned for events such as this before?

Eh??

I don't think you have any grasp at all of the situation. There has never been an event like this in the history of the NHS.

people think the world will implode

Posters keep saying that remainers think that. I’ve never once heard remainers say ‘the world will end/stop spinning/implode’ so why are you pretending it?

I think that regardless of whether this goes pear shaped or whether we actually get a decent deal, stockpiling is probably a good idea if we end up with no deal. It's gonna take us some time to negotiate deals elsewhere and untill that time, we've covered our backs. But unfortunately that seems to have created a fear. You see companies stockpiling things and you can't help but worry.

I'm also a 'deal with it when it happens person. Don't know how to be any other way. You aren't alone OP.

A decent deal

What's a britexiter OP? Also, I can hear suffragettes (look them up on Google, dear) rolling in their grave in reaction to your stance on voting.

This thread is making me so angry. And terrified. Some of you seem to think we are still in the days when the sun never set on the British Empire. We have not always given a fuck about the world so why would the world give a fuck about us?

I would give anything to be proved wrong. But I think our fears are scarily well founded.

And mellongoose works in parliament you know so she presumably knows at least as much as those concerned and alarmed cabinet ministers yesterday.

Perhaps, but she knows fuck all about medicines supply chains.

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For people asking about pharma - it's difficult to condense down. But fundamentally, there are several issues - regulatory authorities, licenses and supply chain.

UK authority to license drugs is the Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory Agency, MHRA. In the EU, all the healthcare agencies co-operate to run a central licensing procedure, so you make one application and end up with a licence in each country, via the European Medicines Agency (EMA) which is in London but now relocating to Amsterdam thanks to Brexit. We (UK) have been at the forefront of the EMA, driving standards and leading the science. From next April, no more. Existing drugs will continue to have licenses, but in the future it will take longer to get new drugs as companies will have to submit separate application to the UK and we won't be a priority market compared to EU27.

You can't sell a pharmaceutical product in this country unless you have a license. So, if the NHS runs out of its usual insulin/drug of choice, they an only source it from a company who has already submitted and obtained a licence in this country - showing that the drug is efficacious, safe and a suitable quality. You can't just ring up "drugs r us" and order some from another company in another country if they don't hold a UK license.

Supply chains can be lengthy. The rules for importing drugs into this country are complex, to ensure that they comply with the conditions of their licenses. They will have been tested at the factory when they are made, but there are requirements for testing when imported, and it legally cannot be sold until it has been cleared by a suitably qualified individual. At the moment, thanks to the EMA co-operation, this is done once on entry to EU on behalf of all countries. How this is handled in the future is still unclear - depending on the deal we get, we could retain certain levels of co-operation like mutual recognition of testing. If not, then we'll have to do it all in the UK, and there are limited numbers of suitably qualified individuals.

This is all separate from the concern around cold supply chain like vaccines and insulin - you can hold drugs in quarantine in suitable chillded warehouses while the testing and release is done. I believe most of this kind of shipment is made by air anyway. However, if the Customs guys are saying they don't have the resources to do the import permit paperwork for ANY perishables, whether drugs, food, flowers etc, then unless special arrangements are made, certain drug supplies could be impacted.

Finally, if you want to know whether your drug is made outside the UK, have a look at the carton and/or the leaflet inside the pack. There should be a statement at the end of the leaflet that says: "Marketing Authorisation Holder [ie license holder] Company Name & Address. Manufactured by Company Name & Address".

Happy to answer any other questions...