To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

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I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

The Mail has a new Editor who is a Remainer and has taken a pro Remain editorial line. So your post is just wrong

Don't be ridiculous, the Mail is just as much pro brexit as ever BUT it does not want to see the end of the Tory party, so has swung its support behind TM's version of brexit, that is all.

I ve not yet read that the Mail is calling for the revocation of Art 50.

The Mail has a new Editor who is a Remainer and has taken a pro Remain editorial line. So your post is just wrong. It’s amazing how many remainers, the self declared brains of the nation, are so poorly informed.

Yes the new editor is a remainer who has said he will tone down the pro-Brexit rhetoric to "focus on ensuring that the country achieves the least damaging form of Brexit". But the DM is certainly not pro-remain.

The Mail has a new Editor who is a Remainer and has taken a pro Remain editorial line. So your post is just wrong.

You're talking tosh, mate. The Mail's new editor is more of a realist but in no way, shape or form could the Mail be described as a Remain. read the Daily Mail Comment I linked to.

My point is that if even the Mail is worried about the state of the Government things are beyond bad.

I can see where you are coming from GoatWithACoat.

The Leave vote that you could sense was coming seems more of an anti Cameron/anti Austerity vote, rather than anti EU. However , it did need to be coupled with the £350 million for the NHS to be effective. If given a choice of voting to give two fingers to Cameron at the cost of wrecking the NHS, I doubt whether it would have won.

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I'm sure you aware of the American constitution - it's a big issue to amend because it's part of the founding of the country. Similar to Republic of Ireland where a referendum is required to change theirs.

Think of the Four Freedoms in a similar way. In the aftermath of the war, countries who spent the last centuries fighting each other wanted to ensure it didn't happen again. The four freedoms come from that.

For example if you allow freedom of movement of capital, goods and services but not people you can end up with a client state. A poor country has manufacturing investment from a richer country because it's cheaper. If you allow the capital, goods/services to leave but not the people the country don't benefit to the same extent as the richer countries. The richer country gets cheap goods and the profits but still pays the poor people the same. They can't move to a richer country and eventually bitterness will grow leading to nationalism. Which post war was considered a bad thing.

That's a very simplified reason for the four freedoms. There were many social and economic reasons behind them. Some of which would seem very silly today.

You may disagree with the four freedoms and the ideology behind them but it's a massive thing to change them. It would probably require referendums in several EU countries to change. It is the founding principle on which everything else is based.

As an aside the Freedom of People to move has never been an unlimited right. It's just the UK never implemented the steps to enforce it.

Thank you moredoll. Not voluntarily read a Mail comment in more years than I can remember

To those claiming the EU / French would just be "punishing us" if they impose checks:

The EU are required to impose these checks, under WTO / WCO rules,
because they have to treat all countries - with whom they don't have a deal - the same

To those who claim other countries don't check goods:

No country in the world trades under only WTO terms

To those who ask why they couldn't give us a cherry-picked deal and split the 4 pillars of the SIngle Market:

because the 4 pillars are fundmental to the current EU and they would have rewrite and renegotiate 80 pages of legal documentation defining what the EU is.
That would take decades to agree and they cba

FTAs - around the world, not just with the EU - typically take 5-15 years to negotiate, unless one side just agrees to everything the other wants

This, btw is the recent EU Association Agreement with the Ukraine, with a vastly smaller & simpler economy than the UK, which also didn't wish to alter the EU in the slightest:

Leaver Richard North has campaigned to Brexit for 30 years and still wants to leave even with no deal.
However, he is highly knowledgeable and has studied the EU all that time

He has warned for years what would happen if the Uk left with any deal that wasn't EEA/ EFTA with negotiations to add the +++ buts

Anyone who wants an expert non-Remain viewpoint on the unfolding disaster he predicts, he has an excellent daily blog:

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87033

" ... Yet, the French, in applying the rules, will not be being "difficult", and nor will they have any choice in the matter.
As long as they are part of the European Union, they are obliged to implement the Union Customs Code (UCC) and the rest of the border controls which apply to the external border."

I'm stockpiling food as I think prices will go up
A stupid and selfish response. If all those who have money start stockpiling food it creates shortages which mean prices go up so people who can’t afford to stockpile ( and everyone else) pay more.
Stockpiling food guarantees food price increases rather than protecting you from them and fucks everyone over.

Wrong gamer. The stockpilers are not creating shortages now because they are stockpiling while we have frictionless trade. They will reduce the demand if no deal Brexit happens, so that those who choose not to stockpile may also benefit

Big Choc, thanks for the link, very interesting. I'm near speechless at the utter ignorance and incompetence of our government. It seems barely credible that they haven't all been sacked by a furious nation; the only explanation must be that, across the board, there's nothing better to replace them with. I haven't the energy for hysteria, just despair.

Stockpiling food and meds is sensible regardless of Brexit. A bad winter or a heavy does of flu could lay you low for a few weeks and stop you getting out to the shops.

I think what is becoming clear from this thread and others like it is that it’s going to get proper nasty in the event of no deal.

Remainers are sick to the back teeth of all the Leavers slithering and squirming out of addressing the consequences of Brexit.

If those predictions come to fruition there are going to be a lot of very angry people.

And that anger is going to be directed at those who chose this path and refused to listen to the repercussions.

Remainers are sick to the back teeth of all the Leavers slithering and squirming out of addressing the consequences of Brexit.

It's realistic to assume that none of us really knows what those consequences will be. Many liketo speculate but none actually know. Some people are more relaxed about dealing with it if/when we need to. Others are not and need to plan everything.

We have pharma companies within the uk who already produce insulin etc. They have already prepared for shortages or disruption to supply in case of various scenarios; one of which includes Brexit.

YANBU

We have pharma companies within the uk who already produce insulin etc.

We do?

Most of the large pharma companies have operations in the uk.

Is the insulin produced in the UK?

How much insulin is produced in the UK, mellongoose? Which types?

I don't see why not. It makes sense for them to produce it here since they have their market here.

I am worried about medicines getting into the country, as my DS needs 27 different ones to stay alive. He'll be in a hospice in 5-10 years, that's with his meds.

It's realistic to assume that none of us really knows what those consequences will be. Many liketo speculate but none actually know. Some people are more relaxed about dealing with it if/when we need to. Others are not and need to plan everything

Why don't you educate yourself and have a read of the Governments own technical notices on no-deal? which is a very credible outcome.

You are making out this concern is being lead by a few parents outside of the school gates worried about vaccinations.

I'm not an insulin producing expert, I'm afraid. But to suggest that they don't without proof is no different to suggesting that they do.

Why assume that they don't produce here?