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Westministenders: The Slow Reveal

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2018 23:16

The DUP are playing silly buggers.
The EU are getting nervous and turning down the pressure.
The ERG still want Schroedingers Brexit.
The Budget is coming. So is a government defeat or climb down.
The M26 is closing.

Keep thinking of the glorious freedom your blue passport will give up whilst you search waste tips.

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RedToothBrush · 16/10/2018 10:37

Jack Maidment @jrmaidment
NEW: Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, says John Bercow should not step down over bullying report: "I think it is absolutely not the time to be changing Speaker."

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RedToothBrush · 16/10/2018 10:41

For reference:

The procedure for electing a Speaker has changed in recent years. Until 1971, the Clerk of the House of Commons became temporary Chairman of the House. As the Clerk is never a Member, and therefore is not permitted to speak, he would silently stand and point at the Member who was to speak. However, this procedure broke down at the election of a new Speaker in 1971 (see below) and had to be changed. Since that time, as recommended by a Select Committee, the Father of the House (the member of the House with the longest period of unbroken service who is not a Minister) becomes the presiding officer.

Until 2001, the election of a Speaker was conducted as a routine matter of House of Commons business, as it used motions and amendments to elect. A member would move "That Mr(s) [X] do take the Chair of this House as Speaker", and following debate (which may have included an amendment to replace the name of the member on whom the Speakership was to be conferred), a routine division of the House would resolve in favour of one candidate. There was, however, a considerable amount of behind-the-scenes lobbying before suitable candidates were agreed upon, and so it was very rare for a new Speaker to be opposed. However, this system broke down in 2000 when 12 rival candidates declared for the job and the debate occupied an entire Parliamentary day. The House of Commons Procedure Committee then re-examined the means of electing a Speaker and recommended a new system that came into effect in 2007 and was first used in June 2009, following the resignation of Michael Martin.

Under the new system, candidates must be nominated by at least twelve members, of whom at least three must be of a different party from the candidate. Each member may nominate no more than one candidate. The House then votes by secret ballot; an absolute majority (in the UK sense, i.e. more than 50% of the votes cast) is required for victory. If no candidate wins a majority, then the individual with the fewest votes is eliminated, as are any other candidates who receive less than five percent of the votes cast. The House continues to vote, for several rounds if necessary, until one member receives the requisite majority. Then, the House votes on a formal motion to appoint the member in question to the Speakership. (In the unlikely event that this motion fails, the House must hold a fresh series of ballots on all of the nominees.)

If only one candidate is nominated, then no ballot is held, and the House proceeds directly to the motion to appoint the candidate to the Speakership. A similar procedure is used if a Speaker seeks a further term after a general election: no ballot is held, and the House immediately votes on a motion to re-elect the Speaker. If the motion to re-elect the Speaker fails, candidates are nominated, and the House proceeds with voting (as described above).

Sounds like a lot of parliamentary time, at a point where we don't have enough parliamentary time.

The words 'crisis' and 'constitutional' are lurking

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ShinyElena · 16/10/2018 10:48

Comments under the BBC article on the cabinet meeting are especially vicious today.

RedToothBrush · 16/10/2018 10:55

Bercow has granted the UQ request.

Should be after PMQs.

I'm off out for a couple of hours.

I wonder how much I'm going to miss...

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DGRossetti · 16/10/2018 10:58

Comments under the BBC article on the cabinet meeting are especially vicious today.

Well, it's easier to type "BBC" than the name of any reputable news site. Especially if you're typing with knuckles.

Can't speak for anyone else, but it seems there has been a mood shift across the interwebs ... is the wisdom of crowds picking up an endgame ?

DGRossetti · 16/10/2018 10:59

I wonder how much I'm going to miss...

Well, the entire universe was created in something like 10⁻⁴³ seconds ...

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 16/10/2018 11:58

DG I had completely forgotten Dream On. I loved it. Something else for me to feel nostalgic about...

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 16/10/2018 11:59

Wonder how it would stand up these days? Badly I suspect...

DGRossetti · 16/10/2018 12:04

I see there loads of numpty postings popping up on various forums about the Irish border ...

anyway, meantime, looks like we might be hearing the phrase Notte di vetro quite soon Sad

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-ethnic-shop-opening-hours-immigrants-matteo-salvini-racism-open-a8584846.html

The Italian government will target “ethnic” shops for restrictions on opening hours, the country’s far-right interior minister has said.

Matteo Salvini said some shops, “almost all managed by foreign citizens”, had “become the haunt of drunks and drug dealers” in the evening.

He said the government would be bringing forward an amendment to its security and immigration decree that would require such shops to close by 9pm.

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What's the consensus on where we are now ? 1935 ? How long till it all kicks off ?

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 16/10/2018 12:17

The Italian government will target “ethnic” shops for restrictions on opening hours, the country’s far-right interior minister has said.

Dark times. This is despicable. On a personal note this sort of thing makes me wonder if it’s worth jumping through all the necessary hoops to try get my Italian citizenship.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 16/10/2018 12:21

I will be marching on Saturday (if personal circumstances allow) but I’m starting to worry that, if a people’s vote gave a straight Remain or No Deal choice, there are enough stubborn/ignorant people out there to get No Deal over the line.

Maybe academic.

Talkstotrees · 16/10/2018 12:31

Comments under the BBC article on the cabinet meeting are especially vicious today.

I’ve noticed a big increase in bot activity on Twitter in the last few days. Many of the 2016 accounts are ramping up. I report the accounts but it’s hard to define for what, the options are impersonation or spam - no option for fake accounts Sad

Talkstotrees · 16/10/2018 12:33

if a people’s vote gave a straight Remain or No Deal choice, there are enough stubborn/ignorant people out there to get No Deal over the line.

No responsible government could put no deal on a ballot.

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DGRossetti · 16/10/2018 12:34

I’ve noticed a big increase in bot activity on Twitter in the last few days.

They seem easier to spot now. Possibly because there's so much going on (I know !) that the stock "We won, get over it" type of responses are just jarring now Hmm

prettybird · 16/10/2018 12:48

Havanana - I did indeed quote that book at him Grin

MyBrexitGoesOnHoliday · 16/10/2018 12:58

Senior EU official confirms the EU will not be providing dinner for Theresa May on Wednesday
Now that I find worrying.
Is it because TM asked them to so she can have a bit more time to sort things out at home.
Or is it the eu that doesn’t want see her??

BigChocFrenzy · 16/10/2018 13:01

talks No "responsible government" would have got us into this mess in the first place,
they wouldn't then have kept digging us deeper if they had the tiniest scrap of responsibility

If there is a 2nd vote by a Tory govt, maybe Labour too, it is highly likely that "no deal" would be on it - and that "Remain" won't be

So it would probably be "no deal" vs "whatever deal May has got - or even wants but has already been refused by the EU"

woman11017 · 16/10/2018 13:04

@sinnfeinireland
Sinn Féin Deputy Leader @moneillsf and @conormurphysf meeting British Labour Leader @jeremycorbyn and British Shadow Secretary of State Tony Lloyd in London this morning

Icantreachthepretzels · 16/10/2018 13:20

but I’m starting to worry that, if a people’s vote gave a straight Remain or No Deal choice

If the vote was a straight remain vs no deal then that would be because no deal was reached - and crashing out would be the default. The vote would at least give us a chance to halt that - but we wouldn't be any worse off than we are already if the fuckwits won again.

what BigChoc wrote - the vote would between no deal and crappy deal is my worst fear. I'm not voting on a deal - I would spoil my ballot paper (my mum - being more hardcore in her old age - has said she would tear up the polling station instead). None of this is going to be done in my name. But it would spell the end if the UK and a lot of economic hardship for decades to come.

ShinyElena · 16/10/2018 13:32

So no dinner for May, because they will not discuss Brexit at all?

DGRossetti · 16/10/2018 13:34

www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/16982790.avonwood-manor-nursing-home-to-close-next-month

A CARE home in Poole is closing next month after “uncertainty over Brexit” led to difficulties recruiting qualified nursing staff, its owner said.

More than 30 elderly residents will have to leave Avonwood Manor Nursing Home in Nelson Road when it shuts on November 30.

Beritaz Care, which has owned the home since 2016, says it is is working with Poole council and social services to ‘seamlessly transfer’ residents to Windsor Court in Bournemouth and other facilities in Hampshire and Surrey.

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Jason118 · 16/10/2018 13:35

Apparently, she's a fussy eater 😁

DGRossetti · 16/10/2018 13:39

The only party suffering any real damage out of Brexit is the UK. On every level.

By contrast, the EUs stock has risen dramatically in the past two years, as the world has seen how competently it's managing Brexit from it's side.

Or, as one of my DBs US business partners apparently said ... These guys really know what they're doing. I don't see any problem setting up in Europe

DGRossetti · 16/10/2018 13:39

Apparently, she's a fussy eater

Life's too short not to have a dig about humble pie ....

Icantreachthepretzels · 16/10/2018 13:43

A CARE home in Poole is closing next month after “uncertainty over Brexit” led to difficulties recruiting qualified nursing staff, its owner said.

As terrible news as this is - the good people of Poole voted 66% for brexit - and they all knew exactly what they were voting for. Don't pretend that they didn't. Are you calling them thick? They will no doubt all be celebrating this news as it is an integral part of their master plan. care home closures across the country was just a small part of the sunlit uplands dream but it was definitely in there.
My heartfelt sympathies to any remain voting pensioners being uprooted due to this clusterfuck of ineptitude and stupidity and greed and evil.

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