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Did Theresa May just say it was the EU's job to solve Brexit?

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Ginazon · 21/09/2018 14:35

In much the same way that the Brexiters decided the Remainers, not them, should have had a plan on how to make Brexit happen?

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Mistigri · 22/09/2018 07:02

There is a limit to the number of times that one side can say 'show again' unless it is giving some clearer idea of what wouid be acceptable.

The EU gave a very clear idea of this right from the start, in Barnier's famous staircase graph.

whosafraidofabigduckfart · 22/09/2018 08:33

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Lottapianos · 22/09/2018 08:44

'It was always going to be difficult, but she made everything so much harder with her red lines, triggering article 50 without a plan and citizens of nowhere type speeches.'

Absolutely right. She has been a shit show from the start. She's clearly only interested in saving her own skin. That speech yesterday was all about holding off Boris and the other hounds just long enough to get herself through conference. I am mortified by her arrogance, but also terrified by how well it will play with the muppets who still think 'they need us more than we need them' and other assorted bullshit.

Chiffon · 22/09/2018 08:51

Would someone kindly explain what a no deal will look like? What do we need to achieve to get a deal?

Mistigri · 22/09/2018 08:55

What do we need to achieve to get a deal?

Redraw the red lines.

The deals on offer are on Barnier's famous staircase slide.

Did Theresa May just say it was the EU's job to solve Brexit?
Daddybegood · 22/09/2018 08:57

So, she goes over to Salzburg and talks threateningly to the other EU leaders. They re-iterate that they won't compromise on 4 freedoms or NI. She gets more tough and says they must accept it (although her own cabinet, her own political party, the Hoc, the Lords and a UK poll also object to Chequers).
She returns having offended everyone, then Tusk makes an ill-advised Instagram tweet about no cherry picking and she uses it to threaten again that she will throw herself (and all who sail in her) under a bus if she doesn't get her way....to an audience of only 2 BBC journos (state broadcaster?) and no questions allowed.
Oh please don't Treez said no one ever, except JRM as he eyes his tax haven prize and the extreme far right press who are now making out she has made some kind of Churchillian stand against their imaginary enemy.
.....not they petulant spoil ravings of a leader who is playing her last bluff before she drags the country off the cliff

bananakorma · 22/09/2018 09:04

The Telegraph, who have been slagging her off at every opportunity, have now backtracked and described her speech as a 'Love Actually' moment. I was thinking more along the lines of Alan Partridge.

HPFA · 22/09/2018 09:14

There's actually a very good thread here from Tim Stanley who writes for the Telegraph and is a Norway-deal type Brexiteer.

twitter.com/timothy_stanley

Theresa May did not need to throw in her lot with ERG nutters and the rightwing press. She could have worked to build a consensus around a sensible Brexit which most Remainers would have accepted and a significant minority of Leavers.

PerspicaciaTick · 22/09/2018 09:14

I get the feeling she is a hair's breadth from telling everyone to fuck off to the far side of fuck before stomping off flicking double Vs over her shoulder and moving to somewhere far far away.
She can't still believe anything she is saying can she?

lonelyplanetmum · 22/09/2018 09:27

I was confused about who that speech was intended for. The lectern always makes me think it's a message to the people.

I'm crystal clear this morning. That message wasn't to us.
That message wasn't to the EU. ( She'd seen them only yesterday after all.)

That message was, as always, for her own party. Just inward looking narrow minded jingoistic drivel designed to try and please her broken ' team'.

The schism within the Tories is a toxic festering poison that infects everything it touches. The referendum,crises in the NHS, social care, schools, further education, councils and now damage to the pound and the very economy itself are all traceable back to that festering sore.

Lottapianos · 22/09/2018 09:40

'That message was, as always, for her own party'

Absolutely. Just trying to save her own skin and get herself through conference at least. Pathetic

Benjaminbuttonschild · 22/09/2018 10:32

She ain't got a fucking clue what she's doing. What is she going to diner Northern Ireland?

She was making me angry with that speech, she pretty much blamed Juncker for not giving her what she wants because it's unworkable you dumbass

I am clear that I am confused.

Benjaminbuttonschild · 22/09/2018 10:33

Do over* not diner

Ginazon · 22/09/2018 11:34

That message was, as always, for her own party

Yeah, that does make it make sense. How fucking depressing.

I wonder what a decent/good/competent politician could have done to get us out of this mess?

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Parker231 · 22/09/2018 21:58

Labour plan to trigger early election 'within days' if Theresa May’s Brexit deal is defeated in parliament - The Independent

DarlingNikita · 24/09/2018 11:57

Yes, she did. She's desperate. I agree that it was all about holding off the Tory right just long enough to get herself through Conference.

Johndoe10 · 24/09/2018 12:13

Yes. Because then when we get no deal, she can blame it on them, not our own incompetence

They are all as bad as each other. I can’t believe we are this far down the line our government have no clue what they are doing and the EU boys club are making it as hard as possible to teach us a lesson.

I voted remain. I didn’t ask for this. My buisness relies on EU links and it’s possibly going to shit because of the way both sides are behaving.

I have no faith in my government and neither in the EU. Arseholes all of them

1tisILeClerc · 24/09/2018 13:57

The EU aren't making it hard on the UK particularly.
This cock up is ENTIRELY the UK governments making and the fact they couldn't read the rules and are still whining is not EU fault.
The people of the EU27 are really excited about their loss of income due to UK stupidity.
The EU 27 are following the rules.

indistinct · 24/09/2018 15:21

Why do you blame the EU? They have been pretty clear on the available options and the chequers proposal does not fall into one of those options.

EthelThePiratesDaughter · 24/09/2018 15:50

There are a lot of things I don't like about Theresa May and her politics but I don't hate her.

I think she stepped up when no one from the leave camp fancied the job thinking it was an opportunity to get her name in the history books by guiding the UK through the rocky waters of Brexit and out the other side to a strong and stable future (har har), uniting the country in the process.

Unfortunately, she's just out of her depth and doesn't have the necessary knowledge and political skill to achieve that.

She doesn't have the kind of knowledge of both (a) the EU/international trade law and (b) the history of Northern Ireland that you would need to have in order to understand exactly what is at stake here. If she had had that kind of knowledge from the start, she would have realised what an impossible situation we are in. She wouldn't have drawn "red lines" which were fundamentally incompatible with each other and made promises she couldn't keep, such as saying we would leave the single market and customs union, but keep the Irish border open.

She also doesn't have the political skill to sell soft Brexit as not just an acceptable compromise but indeed the only workable solution. If she had that kind of strategy and charisma, she would have stood up at the start and said the UK was considering its options and was ruling nothing out until further analysis had been done. She then could have come back after a few months and said that a soft Brexit was realistically the only way to respect the referendum result whilst also taking into account the fact that it was almost evenly split between leave and remain, and that she also had to consider the likely economic impact of a hard Brexit, as well as the implications for Northern Ireland and the Scottish independence movement. But she didn't have that kind of political skill. She was pressured by the hard Brexiters in her party into committing to the kind of Brexit they wanted, under the threat of being deposed if there was even the slightest hint of "betrayal". She might have called the general election in order to buy herself a bit of freedom from the hard Brexiters in her party, but unfortunately it massively backfired. She hugely underestimated her own political appeal, and since she had already laid out her plans for a hard Brexit and triggered Article 50, remainers voted against the Tories in droves, putting her in an even worse position than she was in before.

I think her intentions were more or less good at the beginning, but now she has painted herself into a corner and has no fucking clue how to get out of it. And because she's not brave enough to stand up in front of the country and admit that we as a nation, she as a Prime Minister, the Tories as a party, Parliament and to a lesser extent the electorate have massively fucked this up, it looks like she's going to let us go off the cliff edge with no deal and then try to pin the blame on the EU for not doing a deal with us.

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Daddybegood · 24/09/2018 16:51

Good summary Ethel, no deal and chaos it is then. The only thing I disagree on is when you said 'to a lesser extent' the electorate were to blame - ofcourse they are to blame if they chose to believe dog whistling populist slogans and dismiss experts opinions as project fear. We get the governments we deserve

HermioneGoesBackHome · 24/09/2018 16:55

The EU isnt trying to make it as hard as possible. What do you expect the EU to do to make it easier for the U.K.? Accept to see the UK not follow their red lines but still have accès to all the bits it wants?

EthelThePiratesDaughter · 24/09/2018 17:06

Daddybegood I think the electorate were naive, but I think it is unreasonable to expect the man on the street to understand the complexities of how the EU works, international trade law, or the political and historical situation in Northern Ireland.

megletthesecond · 24/09/2018 17:10

"I agree,@Bearbehind. She should have said, "Shit, no, I'm not sorting out this mess. David Cameron, this is YOUR job, you dickhead."