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Did Theresa May just say it was the EU's job to solve Brexit?

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Ginazon · 21/09/2018 14:35

In much the same way that the Brexiters decided the Remainers, not them, should have had a plan on how to make Brexit happen?

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WhatchaMaCalllit · 21/09/2018 14:40

Short answer is yes.

To be fair they have a solution that would solve Brexit in a blink of an eye.

It's called "Staying in the EU".

Lottapianos · 21/09/2018 14:48

'To be fair they have a solution that would solve Brexit in a blink of an eye.

It's called "Staying in the EU".'

I know!

I listened to the speech while tearing my hair out slowly. It's just more of the same - whinge whinge whinge, special treatment, more whingeing, all the EU's fault, respect the referendum (which we now know was based on a pack of lies). Total fucking madness. I don't know what the hell she's playing at, apart from talking tough to get Boris off her back for a while. I just despair

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Ginazon · 21/09/2018 14:52

I was covering my eyes Lottapianos. I couldn't watch. I don't know what I was hoping for. Something dramatic, some big change to open things up. But she just dug deeper and deeper into the no deal hole.

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1tisILeClerc · 21/09/2018 14:58

You could have got an 8 year old to read that crap, at least they would look cute.
A 12 year old would probably ask critical questions about it.

Lottapianos · 21/09/2018 14:59

'But she just dug deeper and deeper into the no deal hole'

That's exactly it

Maybe I have completely lost the plot, but I just can't imagine them going through with No Deal. I have no faith in any of them to give a shit about the country, but they absolutely do give a shit about themselves, and I can't believe that any of them would want their lovely legacy tainted with the utter catastrophe of a No Deal. The demented euphoria of 'woo hoo, we're out! Fish! Blue passports!' will not last long. The tide will turn so quickly when people realise they can't get cheap holidays to Benidorm, or cheap EU plonk in the supermarket, or the price of food goes through the roof, and god knows what else. And don't parliament have to agree a No Deal anyway, and what are the chances of that?

pumkinspicetime · 21/09/2018 15:04

Every time I think some sanity may finally be starting to peek through I am proved wrong. I am hoping that this is for the ears of the Tory party only and some one, anyone, is doing something more sensible behind the scenes. However I am far from convinced that is the case.

YeOldeTrout · 21/09/2018 19:10

The solution to Brexit was to leave it to the BeLeavers & let them cock it up. Things would have imploded much faster & we'd be back on a sensible path (yes I mean Remain). By enabling this madness/trying to save her party, May has dragged the rest of us into a very avoidable morass.

Mistigri · 21/09/2018 21:31

Early on in the process Barnier laid out the possible models for brexit.

The problem is that May laid down red lines that are fundamentally incompatible with each other.

MeganBacon · 21/09/2018 22:21

No. She said that she had laid out what she wants and that she expects them to consider it seriously before they dismiss it out of hand, and that anything less shows a lack of respect. Would be my interpretation.

mostdays · 21/09/2018 22:34

Given that they had seriously and in detail explained many, many months before what they would be willing to agree to and she has insisted on proposing a model that completely disregards what they have already made clear, what right does she have to demand they listen? She hasn't. She has treated them as liars for two years, refusing to accept that they mean what they say. She demands that they be realistic yet she proposes something that flies in the face of the indivisibility of the four freedoms, having been reminded repeatedly for two years that this could and would not happen. What respect has she earned? Today's speech only makes her look more like a petulant child throwing a tantrum because someone said no to them. It's pathetic and embarrassing.

AllAtHome · 21/09/2018 22:34

Thank you for starting this thread. I was beginning to think it was just me.

AllAtHome · 21/09/2018 22:35

(That was thinking this)

golondrina · 21/09/2018 22:39

Yes, slightly baffled how the EU's response can be a surprise to anyone, it's what they've been saying for two years.

Sarahlou63 · 21/09/2018 22:43

No. She said that she had laid out what she wants and that she expects them to consider it seriously before they dismiss it out of hand, and that anything less shows a lack of respect. Would be my interpretation.

They did consider it. And, quite rightly, they rejected it as it did not align with the four freedoms of the EU - goods, services, people and capital.

It's really very simple.

SweatyFretty · 21/09/2018 22:44

Yes. Because then when we get no deal, she can blame it on them, not our own incompetence.

It's embarrassing and makes me sad.

Farahilda · 21/09/2018 22:51

It's not embarrassing. There is a limit to the number of times that one side can say 'show again' unless it is giving some clearer idea of what wouid be acceptable.

We could well end up with no deal, if EU cannot face up to the reality of UK leaving and cannot contribute to a mutual solution.

But as EU will be facing its own difficulties (with UK out, can what is essentially just Germany actually afford to keep it afloat). No deal could sink EU.

I think this is brinksmanship.

SweatyFretty · 21/09/2018 22:52

I am very very embarrassed by Britain at the moment.

Bearbehind · 21/09/2018 22:58

It's really not a difficult concept.

We voted to leave the EU.

That means we leave the benefits of being in the EU.

Any attempt to claim 'no side should put forward a solution that is unacceptable to the other' is arrogant in the extreme.

We want our cake and eat so of course anything else is unacceptable.

HPFA · 21/09/2018 22:58

No deal could sink EU.

You keep telling yourself that.

HollowTalk · 21/09/2018 23:00

She must be SO tempted to say something like, "For FUCK'S SAKE, how am I meant to know how to solve this FUCKING PROBLEM?"

Bearbehind · 21/09/2018 23:01

No deal could sink EU.

It's this kind of shit that is fuelling this madness.

Please can you explain how

  • 27 countries being unable to trade with 1 coutnry

is worse than

  • 1 country being unable to trade with 27 countries
Bearbehind · 21/09/2018 23:04

She must be SO tempted to say something like, "For FUCK'S SAKE, how am I meant to know how to solve this FUCKING PROBLEM?

I agree.

And if she said 'fuck this, you sort it' I'd have the utmost respect for her.

As it is she's putting her pride above the country's interest and that is despicable.

HollowTalk · 21/09/2018 23:30

I agree, @Bearbehind. She should have said, "Shit, no, I'm not sorting out this mess. David Cameron, this is YOUR job, you dickhead."

HollowTalk · 21/09/2018 23:32

To be fair to her, I think she's doing what she thinks is right - not in terms of Brexit but in terms of leading the country when nobody else will do it. To that extent I think she's an honourable woman. It's not just that she's incompetent, though I think she is, it's that she's also in an impossible situation - nobody would be able to do better if Brexit was to go ahead. This absolute shambles was always going to happen once the referendum results came in.

WSPU · 22/09/2018 00:28

It’s not an impossible situation. It was always going to be difficult, but she made everything so much harder with her red lines, triggering article 50 without a plan and citizens of nowhere type speeches.