Immigration rules after brexit

[Doubletrouble99]

I for one am really pleased with today's report from the Migration Advisory Committee.
They have outlined exactly what I've been saying all along in that I was against FOM because I feel it is prejudice against people from other parts of the world. I'm really happy that they are saying we should treat everyone the same no matter where they come from.

I would have liked them to have gone further though and answered the questions about how we deal with unskilled labour and seasonal labour.

@Quietrebel
You can have my space, I left, although it wasn't Brexit related.
Discovering the UK had already removed some of my 'rights' as a UK citizen before I actually moved is pretty shitty.

Brilliant news.
Bring in highly skilled workers, people we actually need, from anywhere in the world.
We don’t need 2 million polish builders.

You do realise the Crossrail project has been put back 9 months because they couldn't recruit enough builders?
How are you at fruit picking Surferjet, The Albanians don't want to bother any more.

We don’t need 2 million polish builders.

I can't seem to find any builder to even quote from the work I need doing.
www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-construction-worker-shortage-recruitment-brexit-eu-nationals-citizens-europe-trade-association-a8172466.html

We don’t need 2 million polish builders.

so it's not true that Brexiteers were given to hyperbole, then ?

Not that inconvenient things like facts will change your mind surfer

Bring in highly skilled workers, people we actually need, from anywhere in the world.

Fine, but you need to bear in mind that the UK will have to compete to get them, like for trade and everything else. You will need to give good reasons for skilled people to come over here rather than go to the US, or the EU next door (And don't mention the English language- there are plenty of EU countries in addition to Ireland where English is widely spoken and understood, like the Netherlands and Scandinavia for instance...)

And let's remind the Brexiteers (which credits that they were ever listening) even the mighty Swiss with a WILL OF THE PEOPLE referendum of their own were forced to back down and accept FoM .... or FOAD.

I remember Leavers crowing on earlier threads about this and how it was obvious that the EU would blink first. The Leavers then went quiet when that didn't happen.

I’m confused. I thought people voted leave because they didn’t want anymore immigrants to come here at all from anywhere and that the people from overseas should ‘go home’ so that the British people could get ‘all the jobs’ ( I don’t agree with that idea by the way)

So with this news today why aren’t the brexiteers complaining loudly ?

Surely as far as they are concerened this is really bad news
Genuine question. I really don’t understand

@Heather
There is less complaining because possibly the penny is dropping and more leavers are beginning to realise they have been 'had'.
The number of people promising unicorns has diminished.

Heatherjayne1972

We voted to end FOM, not immigration per se.
We want people to come to the UK from anywhere in the world. A complete level playing field.
Remainers don’t like that because most of them ( on here anyway ) have strong links to other EU countries & want to keep all their benefits. . It’s all about them.

As EU members the UK govt always had the power to control freedom movement, which other countries did, but our govt chose not to.

One or two people have genuinely wanted a more open immigration policy. Most haven't and I will include surferjet in that.

Yes Heather its rather odd that 2 of the most vociferous Brexitiers on MN are so pleased that we will import skilled labour, primarily from the developing world, to plug our skills gap, instead of investing in our own workforce and education system.

Of course it should be bad news (and it is) but easier than accepting the UK is responsible for its own problems.

jasjas - I have always said I want the same immigration rules for everyone. This is not something I have just come up with. Leavers are against FOM that was always the problem. Heather you've been listening to too scare stories that all leavers are racists and not understood what leavers actually wanted.
I have also said that we should be investing in training our own workers at home as well. A prime example of that is the NHS with it's chronic shortage of trained staff totally reliant on immigration.

@surferjet
This is most emphatically NOT about keeping my benefits as far as I'm concerned. Once I'm naturalised I couldn't give a toss about that. However I bloody care about the future of a country that I chose, actively chose ( not being a Brit through an accident of birth) and did not have to choose by the way. Comments like yours I find deeply offensive. All the comments I make here are from the perspective of someone who cares for the UK at least as much as you do. To be blunt I could have fucked off long ago but I didn't and I won't, and I'll keep disagreeing with you.

Thank you Quietrebel for choosing to live in the UK although you were not born here.

They tragedy of brexit is the number of good British citizens who would choose to leave the UK if the brexit nonsense actually happens. .

A prime example of that is the NHS with it's chronic shortage of trained staff totally reliant on immigration.

What exactly is the current Government doing to redress that? Yes, I know a few more places are planned for medical schools, but nursing and midwifery bursaries? Scrapped, you will recall. With some blather from a Government spokesperson about supporting students, but apparently blind to the fact that nursing and midwifery students tend to be significantly older than 18 and have already got commitments.

@Double i know you have but leaving the EU will not make the slightest difference to training our own workforce and to be perfect honest, given our inability to know who is here and deport who shouldn't be, i have doubts about the wisdom of bring in people from the other side of the World, on 12/24 month visas.... we have no ID card system remember.

All that this new migration policy (if its adopted) will mean is that countries that need skilled workers to develop will lose some to the UK.

Thanks yaralie 😀 and there many good things keeping me here 😀.
Rereading my somewhat emotional post: to clarify, I meant earlier that FOM rules will no longer affect my personal circumstances, not that I don't care what happens to people affected by them.... I'm not a monster...

I have always said that I found the FOM policy of the EU basically racist I that it favours countries with a mainly white Christian population.

And yet so many prominent hard-core Brexiters are always pushing CANZUK.

Swedish - I don't think anyone has suggested only inviting immigration from the commonwealth. I think they have been mentioned more with reference to free trade deals as we have very similar governmental and legal structures.

I don't think we have similar Government and legal structures to the US - but the most rabid Brexiteers bang on about the 'Anglosphere' as though Lord North never lost the American colonies.

Swedish - I don't think anyone has suggested only inviting immigration from the commonwealth.

No, you're right. Lilico et al are angling for FOM between white commonwealth countries.

Yes why have NHS scrapped the bursary system for students, how short sighted