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so no international shipping, as well as no international flights...

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coldrain2018 · 14/09/2018 00:00

well, we all knew that a no deal Brexit would mean no international flights could take off or land in the UK, but the technical notices released today indicate that actually, there are going to be huge issues with international shipping docking here, or our ships docking elsewhere, too.

I don't know the details, but it would seem to be limited to shipping between UK and EU, so ships from China, etc, as I understand it could still dock here with existing paperwork.So not a complete, universal across the board ban like with flights

what does this mean for cross channel ferries? on the face of it, that hey couldn't operate? There is also going to be a problem with ferries operating from the EU with British crews on board, so a French cross channel ferry, for example, couldn't sail with British crew members, and maybe couldn't sail at all?

If anyone has any insider knowledge of this sector please explain! AS far as I knew, the reason Kent County council have brought in the toilets and barriers and everything to close their motorways is to give feight lorries somewhere to wait, as all freight would be crossing the channel rather than entering UK through the air.so the volumes were going to go up hugely.

That doesn't tally with no international shipping between UK and EU... ferries are not going to sail to China! Or are the lorries going to be there to UNLOAD cargo ships from china?

someone please explain!

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Hellohah · 24/09/2018 16:28

I have flights booked to the USA on 30 March 2019 - am I not going on holiday???

juneau · 24/09/2018 16:32

Depends if we come to some arrangement before Brexit Day Hellohah. If we have no deal at that point, then I am assuming that all planes will be grounded.

juneau · 24/09/2018 16:38

I'm not sure what will happen to flights to/from non-EU countries though. I suppose it depends a) which country you're talking about and b) which airline it is. I do know that the UK and the US don't have a bilateral ASA deal at the moment though, and according to this www.gov.uk/government/publications/flights-to-and-from-the-uk-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/flights-to-and-from-the-uk-if-theres-no-brexit-deal, that is what will determine whether flights can continue following a No Deal outcome.

bellinisurge · 24/09/2018 16:49

Our deal on flights with the US is, I think, as a member of the EU. It will need a new deal. Not beyond anyone to sort it but "it will need a new deal" is pretty much the answer to everything.
I will be having a May/June holiday in the EU and am crossing my fingers some kind of flight deal will be sorted by then. Wouldn't be totally surprised if it wasn't- eyes wide open.

1tisILeClerc · 24/09/2018 17:01

I am not certain that the details suggested on the gov paper released this afternoon covers enough. There may be permission to fly, but the issues of certification of everything also need to be in place. Meaning that the principle of the flight may be OK but whether the plane, airport, pilot, ground staff, maintenance are also certified may stop things. The sweeping gesture might be OK but if the last person on the list of requirements and certifications doesn't have the right bit of paper it might not happen.

ilovepixie · 24/09/2018 18:04

I'm going on holiday to Ibiza September 2019 and going on a cruise sept 2020! Does this mean I won't be able to go? What about people coming into the country?

RomanyRoots · 24/09/2018 18:10

Stupid question but why stock medicine? mine comes from warrington in Cheshire, I could get a bus to pick them up.

NameChangedAgain18 · 24/09/2018 18:10

So we would be completely cut off with no way to leave? - - possibly, but don't worry, it's not like other people don't have this issue. North Koreans can't leave their country either, for example.

bellinisurge · 24/09/2018 18:21

@RomanyRoots . Not all medicine comes from Warrington Hmm

juneau · 24/09/2018 18:25

I really hope they've sorted it out by Sept and god forbid they haven't done so by 2020 pixie! However, anyone thinking of booking trips to the EU after March 2019 would be wise to either wait, or make sure they are fully insured/bonded, in case they don't go ahead. That's particularly important for the Easter holidays, as who the hell knows what is going to happen?

RomanyRoots · 24/09/2018 18:26

I'm sure it doesn't, I have some from Bristol too, thing is we have chemical works here, can we not produce our own?

bellinisurge · 24/09/2018 18:28

@RomanyRoots - please tell me you are joking.

Bloodynorris · 24/09/2018 18:29

I would not be booking any cruises with a company who have U.K. flagged vessels. If no deal is sorted by the time. No EU ports will supply a U.K. flagged vessel with medical oxygen due to regulations. A vessel can leave the U.K. with med ox on it but if that gets then it's tough for the next person who needs it.

1tisILeClerc · 24/09/2018 18:32

Global marketing and manufacturing is like a well oiled machine, and the UK gov have just smashed it with a sledgehammer.

LARLARLAND · 24/09/2018 19:15

Aviation boss saying on Channel 4 news that he’s not worried about International flights after we leave Europe.

LARLARLAND · 24/09/2018 19:16

Are any cruise ship UK flagged? I thought they were all registered to tax havens?

Bloodynorris · 24/09/2018 19:32

You would be very surprise how many cruise ships are U.K. flagged. In fact I was very surprised at how many ships are U.K. flagged. I was in fact very surprised as too how many vessels are U.K. flagged. Med ox won't just not be going on cruise ships but any U.K. vessels in the EU.

1tisILeClerc · 24/09/2018 19:43

Calm down people, no need to panic. The Gov have been putting stuff in the water (the opposite of flourine which makes you 'passive') it's just a bad dream we are all having.

NameChangedAgain18 · 24/09/2018 19:43

Aviation boss saying on Channel 4 news that he’s not worried about International flights after we leave Europe - well, obviously. He’s hardly going to tell people not to book flights, is he!

LARLARLAND · 24/09/2018 19:52

The aviation guy who was interviewed on Channel 4 news was essentially saying that so much business is done with Europe in terms of flights that there are huge incentives on both sides to do a deal. If the Government fail to reach a deal, aviation chiefs on both sides would take up the slack and sort things out. They basically can't afford not to.

woman11017 · 24/09/2018 20:49

aviation chiefs on both sides would take up the slack and sort things out. They basically can't afford not to Aviation chiefs can't negotiate with the EU. That's the politicians' jobs. As it stands, with the probable no deal. There will be no planes.

woman11017 · 24/09/2018 20:56

@JulieOwenMoylan
Actually all UK flights would have no safety certification so no flights to anywhere until that’s resolved. It’s not just U.K.- EU flights.
Heathrow have arranged funding to be shut for two months.

Heatherjayne1972 · 24/09/2018 21:48

It’s not just flights tho is it? It’s the pilots licence air crew insurance /licenses etc every part on every plane is checked by an Eu safety system ( don’t know what it’s caled) What about the ground crew the security people and other service staff - will their insurance / employee qualifications stand? How will this affect the RAF. I thought that you're either in the open sky agreement or your not- it’s one of the other. It’s all such a mess