so no international shipping, as well as no international flights...

[coldrain2018]

well, we all knew that a no deal Brexit would mean no international flights could take off or land in the UK, but the technical notices released today indicate that actually, there are going to be huge issues with international shipping docking here, or our ships docking elsewhere, too.

I don't know the details, but it would seem to be limited to shipping between UK and EU, so ships from China, etc, as I understand it could still dock here with existing paperwork.So not a complete, universal across the board ban like with flights

what does this mean for cross channel ferries? on the face of it, that hey couldn't operate? There is also going to be a problem with ferries operating from the EU with British crews on board, so a French cross channel ferry, for example, couldn't sail with British crew members, and maybe couldn't sail at all?

If anyone has any insider knowledge of this sector please explain! AS far as I knew, the reason Kent County council have brought in the toilets and barriers and everything to close their motorways is to give feight lorries somewhere to wait, as all freight would be crossing the channel rather than entering UK through the air.so the volumes were going to go up hugely.

That doesn't tally with no international shipping between UK and EU... ferries are not going to sail to China! Or are the lorries going to be there to UNLOAD cargo ships from china?

someone please explain!

Regarding the lorries 'stacked up, although they are not all through Dover, around 8,500 lorries travel to the UK a day. Currently the ones from EU or to EU are hardly checked (either 1 or 4 percent?) but trucks that are carrying goods from outside the EU are all checked and it takes them in excess of 90 minutes to get through customs. EU trucks unless one of the percentage checked only pause briefly. Goods from China or wherever are not on trucks but are just containers. UK trucks collect them from the port so trucks and drivers don't need checking, only the containers.
With airplanes there is 'no man's land' which is the area 'beyond' security but still on land. I would anticipate that a ship in port is actually in 'no man's land' as it is not on British (or French) soil. It may be that British crew can sail but not get off in France/wherever and similarly French crew may not get off in the UK. Plenty of detail to mess with there!

no, I think it was the British qualifications will no longer be recognised by the EU, so the British crew on French ships will be sacked, leaving the French ships without full crews

That was a bye-the-bye to the main story though, which was to do with UK shipping no longer holding the right paperwork to dock in the EU, etc. I don't really understand this bit though. Is it like the aviation situation, we have to set of insurance companies and maintenance contracts, and have these approved by the EU before sailing again?

As I understand it, Chinese (etc) ships could still dock here, because the paperwork they are currently using is adequate to allow sailing between the UK and China t continue, although the paperwork for aircraft is totally inadequate, so flights would stop

but trucks that are carrying goods from outside the EU are all checked

where are trucks coming from that reach UK from outside the EU? presumably these ones will keep coming?

Many of the ferries are French owned anyway with French or Philippine crew but yes it will be a mess without a deal. The EU have been planning for the risk of the UK leaving for 2 years so I would expect alternative plans will have been made.

The ones from outside the EU are presumably mostly ones from countries that the EU has bilateral agreements with on standards and contracts etc. Papers can be checked in advance of transportation as standard terms are used. Once we leave the EU, we are not part of those bilateral agreements.
And even if we open doors and say "Come on in", the countries with whom we we once part of a bilateral agreement have no obligation to do the same to our goods.

“The ones from outside the EU are presumably mostly ones from countries that the EU has bilateral agreements”

Yes, it will affect pretty much all trade.

Surely this was obvious, though? The whole point of the EU was to facilitate ferries/shipping etc. So people can hardly be surprised that having said we don’t want to play any more, we are not allowed to play anymore!

Appears to surprise some.

@bellini - facepalm, eh? So frustrating that people just will not listen

DID not listen

It was all dismissed as “negativity”

Surely this was obvious, though? The whole point of the EU was to facilitate ferries/shipping etc. So people can hardly be surprised that having said we don’t want to play any more, we are not allowed to play anymore!

And yet they are shocked, SHOCKED, that taking their country back actually means, well, nobody knows exactly what it means but it doesn’t look pretty right now. They were expecting days of old and a return to the empire, and what they appear to be getting is having to pay a people smuggler to get them to Majorca in a dinghy come April.

"3 blokes in a pub" in Southampton, Episode 5.
tbh the production quality is terrible!
But it's all about shipping & Brexit :).

Key date is 5.4.19. Start of school Easter Holidays. 3 days past the limit for supermarkets' food stocks. Petrol's delivered by tankers too.

Why haven't NHS, military, police and supermarket chiefs given a statement on how this situation is going to be managed effectively and peacefully?

We are being deliberately kept in the dark, presumably by government directives. Big industry has been gagged to prevent their intentions from being broadcast and we are being drip fed some frankly crap bits of 'technical documents' which are part saying what MIGHT happen if the deal they may or may not be working on doesn't happen.
We should be worried that the press OUTSIDE the UK can tell us more detail than our own will.

So is it absolutely definite that if there is No Deal there will be no flights? As in all UK airports will immediately cease business? And the only way to go on holiday will be to drive / boat / tunnel with ensuing huge q's? Or is this scaremongering?

@Boy
Half right!
With NO DEAL there are no ships or tunnel either, proving that the UK really is an island.
You could swim the channel.

So we would be completely cut off with no way to leave? And Theresa May is actually allowed to consider this as a viable possibility.

I just don't get how this can be happening :( So so sad.

BBC just says it could happen not that it would? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45019603

It is the legality of various aspects.
If there is no deal then ALL treaties and agreements between the UK and the EU stop dead on 29 March.
Planes especially but ships as well are certified, down to literally the last nut and bolt to 'prove' they are airworthy and therefore insurable.
All these accreditation's are currently held jointly in the EU, as most airlines are EU owned.
Pilots and everyone else are also certified similarly. Therefore no certification, no insurance, no travel.
New certification will need to be agreed, but the mechanisms to do this can take weeks, months or even years.
A plane, flying at 5 mins to midnight (EU time) on 29th becomes unlicenced at the stroke of midnight, a serious 'Cinderella' moment!
Getting a deal is therefore important.

I thought we recently signed a £43m deal with the French to keep Calais as British checkpoint for entry into the country so cannot see the concern Surely it is up to us to put the necessary staff in Calais to deal with things ? It will cost but then Brexiteers are willing to pay for this

DOT guidance published on flights and no deal:

Here: www.gov.uk/government/publications/flights-to-and-from-the-uk-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/flights-to-and-from-the-uk-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

No deal would be A FUCKING DISASTER. Anyone who believes otherwise is either deluded, a hopeless optimist or just plain stupid. I am booking no international travel after 30.3.19 and unless we get a deal before that day I will be stockpiling food and medicines and I would advise everyone else to do the same.

{In order to ensure permissions were granted and flights continued, the UK’s preference would be to agree a basic arrangement or understanding on a multilateral basis between the UK and the EU.} To facilitate this we are pissing off as many people and governments as possible.