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RedToothBrush · 17/08/2018 11:58

No its not the weather making your brain rot and stop thinking.

Thats just Brexit.

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Motheroffourdragons · 29/08/2018 13:25

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1tisILeClerc · 29/08/2018 13:34

OK I said I hadn't read all of what he was proposing.
So, not him, so who do we trust to get us out of this mess?
Charismatic.
Intelligent.
Listens to reason.
Effective communicator.
Not too many 'skeletons in closet'.
Works collaboratively.
Um...
Is anybody,,,out there?? (hint of echo)

1tisILeClerc · 29/08/2018 13:36

Sooty, what are you doing here?

Motheroffourdragons · 29/08/2018 13:36

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1tisILeClerc · 29/08/2018 13:40

I am not sure now is the time to be too squeamish.
Brexit is for life, Lib dems only until the next election or sooner.

SusanWalker · 29/08/2018 13:46

Just caught up as we were away for a couple of days. In the i paper yesterday I got the impression that the difid budget for Africa was going to be given to private companies to invest rather than channelled into projects. I feel really uncomfortable with this. Surely private companies will only invest in what makes them a profit?

Another little bit from the i yesterday. David Suchet claims Poirot would be a remainer. This is very true i think as Poirot was a refugee and a successful immigrant, who must have paid a fair amount of tax, as well as saving the bacon of at least two prime ministers. Hastings on the other hand would have been a brexiteer. He was always very credulous and believed that to be British was superior. When talking of immigrants he would have said to Poirot 'of course, I don't mean you'.

I also bought an archaeology magazine. There was an interesting article on the excavations done along the route of a new road between Cambridge and Huntingdon. There were so many sites that they had to employ a huge amount of excavators. Apparently there was a shortage so an Italian group did part of it. They estimate that about three quarters of the 250 archaeologists working on the projects were originally from outside the UK. On one dig there were 30 different nationalities represented. So yet another area that will likely be impacted by brexit/harsher immigration laws.

Motheroffourdragons · 29/08/2018 13:47

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DGRossetti · 29/08/2018 13:54

I also bought an archaeology magazine. There was an interesting article on the excavations done along the route of a new road between Cambridge and Huntingdon. There were so many sites that they had to employ a huge amount of excavators. Apparently there was a shortage so an Italian group did part of it. They estimate that about three quarters of the 250 archaeologists working on the projects were originally from outside the UK. On one dig there were 30 different nationalities represented. So yet another area that will likely be impacted by brexit/harsher immigration laws.

I think archaeology will be forbidden under the new world order. Mainly because it throws up inconvenient facts which show up the lies peddled to keep people in line (for example, it doesn't really help the anti-immigrant brigade to notice that Syrians were guarding Hadrians wall and marrying into the native community 2000 years ago). But also because it's a bloody nuisance when you're trying to throw up luxury flats as fast as you can.

Drifting into inner space for a second, but the only real distinction between the current crop of fascist shits, and their Nazi pop-idol heroes is an unhealthy fascination with the mythic occult. Although given his constituency, I wouldn't be surprised to discover that JRM prances around naked on All Hallows Eve, trying to conjure up some sort of Arthurian hero.

ElenaGreco123 · 29/08/2018 14:23

DGRosetti Why did you have to say that?! It is seared on my mind now and can never unsee it.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/08/2018 14:29

Mother I expect that a no-deal Brexit would bring a certain amount of short term chaos everywhere

  • but especially in the UK -
since it would be basically taking the #5 economy in the world offline, out of the standard international trading, certification & trasnport system.

Short term, it would probably mean the Uk not applying any tariffs, unless / until the govt has sorted out its WTO quotas etc

Other countries would probably choose to apply standard WTO tariffs for 3rd countries, against UK exports

So, that would hammer the UK trade deficit and disadvantage some UK producers, partly offset by a probably much lower pound

  • imo, financial markets are still assuming there will be a WA and transition period, but if the EU / UK states no deal is going to happen, Sterling would plummet.

However, the WTO itself doesn't really impose sanctions very speedily on countries which transgress and iirc requires proof of harm, rather than just breaking the tariff or MFN rules

Also, the WTO disputes court has been seriously hindered by the USA refusing to approve judges for it - this went back even to Obama's time iirc - the USA in practice always hasthe policy of "we have only interests, not friends"

So, in practice, the UK could proceed as it considers in its national interest re imports & tariffs;
but
if countries felt the UK actions were disadvantaging them, they could then apply punitive sancions on selected goods,
e.g. as China & the EU did vs USA goods, about a month after Trump imposed his unilateral tariffs

  • and the USA is already suffering; the UK would probabl;y be much more vulnerable to punitive actions.
BigChocFrenzy · 29/08/2018 14:34

DG I used to live near the notorious "Hellfire Caves", where reportedly in the 18th century Sir Francis Dashwood's "Hellfire Club" (depraved aristocracy) pranced around doing some pretty horrendous things to the plebs,
that were shocking even for that time, when the poor were regarded as cattle.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/08/2018 14:35

Even in the mid-1960s, those stories were used to scare us kids into being good and not wandering off too far

DGRossetti · 29/08/2018 14:42

A no-deal Brexit leaves a bleeding Britain in a sea of sharks.

1tisILeClerc · 29/08/2018 15:08

@Mother, what about the Monster raving loony party, are they for or against Brexit?
Just been listening to some Neil Innes material, anything seems possible now!
Since it isn't my actual name and was polite anyway, you don't need to apologise!
Elena, All hallows it the end of October and likely to be cold, you don't need to fear too much, Nudge nudge wink wink!

BigChocFrenzy · 29/08/2018 15:13

I've described a hard Brexit before as delivering the UK, naked and bound, to its enemies.

A Leaver took great offence to my "hatred" of Britain for posting this.
However, I wasn't gloating, just horrified at the prospect

It is treasonous, imo, for a govt to do that

  • especially just for naked party political reasons & for the spivs to make new fortunes.

The govt realise by now at least the risks & possible consequences
even if noone can be certain of the outcome of something never attempted before.

DGRossetti · 29/08/2018 15:15

All hallows it the end of October and likely to be cold, you don't need to fear too much,

Walpurgis night ?

(The keen-eyed reader might suspect that I got most of my mumbo-jumbo from Dennis Wheatley. A deeply unpleasant racist man, who I can guarantee would be delighted to be seen with Farage and his blackshirts).

Motheroffourdragons · 29/08/2018 16:02

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woman11017 · 29/08/2018 16:22

Has this been posted?
Pro-EU Labour left “increasingly confident” of conference say on ‘people’s vote
labourlist.org/2018/08/pro-eu-labour-left-increasingly-confident-of-conference-say-on-peoples-vote/
BigChoc you were from my manor! I'm not far at all from those Hellfire Caves: stinky toffs. If I hadn't been an economic migrant to the sarf .......

DGRossetti · 29/08/2018 16:30

I notice Brexit threads popping up in AIBU again ...

Quite interesting that now they are focussing on specific worries (flights being the latest) the Brexiteers have pretty much given up.

It's all a bit boiling frog, but there's much less confidence or swagger to my reading, now.

Thinking of flights, if there is a Brexit downturn in bookings, will some operators become financially vulnerable ? I think it's inconceivable we'll get to March 29th 2019 without at least one "surprise" bankruptcy. How far does that magic money tree spread ?

Presumably people who own and rely on property rentals in Europe are quietly preparing themselves for a no deal (as suggested by their own governments) ? I imagine that would include hiked up prices payable in advance* (ideally in Euros), and clauses excluding losses due to a UK no deal. That's after trying to source non-UK customers as a starter ?

    • hiked up prices payable in advance - again the well off not being hurt as badly as the less well off ....
BigChocFrenzy · 29/08/2018 16:45

DG Too many Brexiters have either EU boltholes, e.g. Lawson, Farage
or USA / Anglosphere ones - possibly Boris, Fox, JRM, some rightwing coulumnists & editors who pretend to be fulminating from inside the UK

The pain will be for the plebs who don't realise / can't get away in time

DGRossetti · 29/08/2018 16:50

The pain will be for the plebs who don't realise / can't get away in time

But people with money - the ones for whom society must work - will be able to buy their way out too.

Weeks rental on a villa in Spain £1,000 in 2018, £3,000 in 2019. No problem for some (who, ironically, probably voted Remain).

1tisILeClerc · 29/08/2018 16:53

Any news on the departure of industry, it has gone remarkably quiet.Have the larger players been 'muzzled' and sworn to secrecy?
Any late night shipments of machinery across the channel with a sack over them for camouflage perhaps?
I know BMW.Airbus and Nissan only produce a certain amount but surely Mrs May and gang can't have bribed them all (which would be against EU rules anyway). Sorry, I mean enabled a smooth transition.

Mrsr8 · 29/08/2018 16:53

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DGRossetti · 29/08/2018 16:59

Any news on the departure of industry, it has gone remarkably quiet.Have the larger players been 'muzzled' and sworn to secrecy?

They don't need to be. The media just won't report it, and that's that. Moreover, generally, it's only worth expending energy when you can discern a possible return. Which is why companies simply aren't planning for Brexit. It's not that they don't want to. It's not that they think they don't need to. It's just that it's simply not worth spending anything at all, if you can't predict a return. Bearing in mind any company with shareholders has to justify its actions to them, or risk being sued for mismanagement.

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