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Westminstenders: Summer Season

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RedToothBrush · 17/08/2018 11:58

No its not the weather making your brain rot and stop thinking.

Thats just Brexit.

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1tisILeClerc · 24/08/2018 18:03

Hi
The petition site took a while to load, but my internet is not over fast!

HesterThrale · 24/08/2018 18:11

Yes thanks Elements!

BigChocFrenzy · 24/08/2018 18:12

Haven't the DUP noticed NI being pushed towards the ROI ? Hmm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45284507

Manufacturing NI said the guidance to contact the Irish government for advice was "extraordinary".

The Northern Ireland Chamber of Commerce was just as damning.^^
It said businesses will look at the papers and conclude they "confuse them more".

Hazardswan · 24/08/2018 18:18

bigchocfrenzy

thank you for your kind words I must admit it had me a little bit weepy - in a good way! And thank you for explaining everything out...I just wish we weren't so incompetent Confused and if we really fuck up you know the pride would kick in!

Flowers
RedToothBrush · 24/08/2018 21:00

Matthew Goodwin @ goodwinmj
It's Britain's working-class that is getting shaky on Brexit

Middle-class remain pretty much as convinced as they were in 2016 that the vote for Brexit was "wrong" (ht @JohnRentoul !)

Hmmm well this is interesting.

Of late the Tories have been attracting a lot more of the working class vote than labour which fairly obviously has raised eyebrows.

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mybrainhurtsalot · 24/08/2018 22:00

Seeing that (not to mention all the other labour specific polling on Brexit) makes you wonder what the hell it will take for Labour to change course.

woman11017 · 24/08/2018 22:03

makes you wonder what the hell it will take for Labour to change course
Bullet proof vests.

HesterThrale · 25/08/2018 08:13

Alastair Campbell thinks there might be an inquiry into this madness one day. I tend to agree.

...might Hammond be pre-empting the post-Brexit public inquiry when a key question will be ‘what did you do to stop this nonsense?’

mobile.twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/1032849817666502656

Motheroffourdragons · 25/08/2018 08:48

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MyBrexitUnicornDied · 25/08/2018 09:02

Well we are going to be in a right pickle if there is no deal, aren't we

Yup. I get so cross when people shrug their shoulders and say “it will be fine we’ll just trade on WTO rules.” Especially if they add, like loads of other countries do.

Hmm
RedToothBrush · 25/08/2018 09:43

The Columnist @ Sime0nStylites
1. Where has all the No Deal coverage gone?
2. DR et al publish their first trance of notices. There’s a slew of media commentary, expert and industry reactions for the next 12 hours...and then...(I exaggerate a little)...tumbleweeds.
3. And yet, No Deal us generally regarded as anywhere between a bad and very bad thing. Impact estimates range from really bad to disastrous.
4. Even the more phlegmatic commentators struggled to imagine the move from status quo to who knows what would not result in a great degree of disruption.
5. The notices themselves were helpful in this regard, pointing out in excruciating (but definitionally insufficient) detail a surreally wide range of impacts.
6. And it’s not just the areas affected. The notices did a pretty good job of scientifically demonstrating that the best case scenario of merely great disruption could only be achieved through extensive cooperation from the EU.
7. Friends, this assumption is what we might call a ‘major risk’. We shall be relying on the goodwill (and, yes, mutual interest) of an organisation whose budge for the next two years we’ve just bazookaed.
8. Perhaps, the coverage fizzle out is because no one thinks No Deal will happen? Hmmm. Liam Fox tells us its 60% likely. Various others are at 50/50. Jeremy Hunt says that any Deal must confirm to the ‘spirit and letter’ of the referendum.
9. Let’s put it differently. If there was an impending natural disaster, a typhoon or a meteor strike, that would potentially devastate large sections of the economy...
10. ...Even if the probability of doom was only, say, 20%, I don’t think that the reaction 24 hours after its announcement would be shrugs and the odd eye roll.
11. We can speculate a few reasons for this strange lacuna. It’s late August. Everyone’s bored, so bored, of Brexit (apart from me). Post World Cup blues, perhaps.
12. More seriously, I still don’t think that many people really think it’s going to happen - the happy outcome paradox. I also think people struggle to conceptualise the scale of the problem.
13. Finally, I wonder if some of the larger businesses are just getting on with it. Their contingency plans are being quietly activated. They’ve largely given up on trying to influence the process. Maybe.
14. TL;DR We’re months, maybe weeks, away from what may well be the biggest crisis in many people’s living memory. Time to wake up. /ends

Leave friend said some time ago "it'll all work itself out" and politicians would come up a solution cos they always do.

Yesterday she was moaning about how she didn't know where her job in regulation was going because all the rules were changing but no one including her regulatory body knew what they were going to be.

She then stated her new position that "Brexit is going to be painful at first but we'll come out stronger". Thats a shift. The first admission that Brexit is a shit storm and the politicians didn't have a fucking clue what they were doing.

I despair. She's intelligent.

She also owns three houses and the company she works for is about to be bought out. By a Chinese firm. Oh and her husband is just about to have to fork out £2000 for his indefinite leave to remain (which she thinks will be dead easy and she'll have no problem).

I love her to bits but there were so many things she came out with yesterday that made me cringe or bite my tongue rather heavily.

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prettybird · 25/08/2018 10:04

I am very fortunate in that none of my friends or family are Leavers (and no, that's not because I just unfriended any Wink).

But then, a) I live in Scotland and b) we're comfortably middle class and well educated. Although my friends at ds' rugby club (where we have ended up being too very involved) come from a wide variety of backgrounds, from the well off to those that struggle to pay the subs (contrary to pre-conceptions Wink) (Club prides itself on being inclusive so will always come to an arrangement if required).

But there again, I also live in an Independence supporting bubble with 90% of my friends supporting Scottish Independence (but again, Glasgow voted Yes Grin), so I perhaps don't have the most typical of circle of friends and family Wink

RedToothBrush · 25/08/2018 10:14

Jen Williams of the Manchester Evening News is my heroine:

www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2018/news/regional-political-editor-to-national-columnist-you-are-not-a-journalist/
Regional political editor to national columnist: ‘You are not a journalist’

Jen, , who won Specialist Writer/Impact Journalist of the Year at this year’s Regional Press Awards, went on to question what qualified Owen to talk about journalism, quizzing him on whether he had ever taken NCTJ qualifications.

He replied: “Are you saying that unless I do an NCTJ qualification then I shouldn’t be on television – as someone who has worked in the media for seven years – to state official statistics about how the privileged dominate the media, or that the press is run by right-wing moguls? Why?”

Jen responded: “No, I’m saying that you’re not a journalist. And that when I see you passing comment on the TV about me, a journalist, and my profession (journalism) it p*es me off.

She added: “Most papers back the Tories. They also did when I was growing up – which doesn’t legitimise it, but it isn’t a new thing. What I’m not OK with is you popping up here there and everywhere criticising my entire industry. Why? How are you even qualified to do that?

“I will absolutely take this personally and I’ll continue to do so and if I’m annoying you then I’m sorry, but it’s only the same as you do to loads of people all of the time.”

Owen later went on to state that his appearance was “not an attack on any individual journalists”, adding: “I’ve been told that I can’t criticise the media because I’m not a journalist. Leaving aside the fact that opinion writing is a subset of journalism – which is distinct from news reporting – everyone has the right to critique the media. It’s a pillar of democracy, after all.”

Having an opinion and writing about that opinion is just being an opinion columnist. It is NOT being a journalist Owen Jones. Its being privileged enough to produce hot air.

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lonelyplanetmum · 25/08/2018 10:52

No-deal Brexit 'worse than thought' for science www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-45303280

The European Research Council (ERC) issues prestigious grants which have so far been worth a total of €1.29bn to the UK.

Ministers have repeatedly stressed that bids for EU funding will be underwritten up to 2020.

( Not that great when eldest DD and her boyfriend both graduate in science subjects in 2022.)

University College London has already seen a drop in the number of fellowship applications from EU researchers and UK business has slipped from being the second largest recipient of Horizon 2020 funding to the fifth largest.

One of the very many things that makes me so so angry about this Lemming self harm is the fact that far from ' being controlled' we were IN control. We were a major player in a very powerful trading bloc leading much EU funded research. So many countries envied our poke position being influential in deciding what food, goods and agriculture safety rules would apply in France, Germany etc.

I still think no deal is highly likely and will never get over the fact that we threw our prosperity and pole position away.And why - because of ideological rifts in the fucking Tory party, and because of acute divisions in the country falsely attributed to external factors instead of our own governments.
I wish I could say rant over. But the rang will never be over.

lonelyplanetmum · 25/08/2018 10:52

rant -not rang (whatever a rang is).

lonelyplanetmum · 25/08/2018 10:55

Oh and 'pole' position not 'poke' position. BlushBlush

Hazardswan · 25/08/2018 12:28

redtooth my friends are similar. One bucks the trend and is quite shocked I think. (Btw i adore her and she is a lovely person.)

The rest "it'll be bad for a bit then UNICORNS and FAIRIES." wonder if they'd say that if I can't get DPs meds

pretty you and your enviable friends, lifestyle and plum gin Grin have you been hired for glasow tourist board Grin

1tisILeClerc · 25/08/2018 12:36

Don't worry @Lonelyplanet, the universities are going to change their courses to unicorn grooming and suntan oil application classes.
As a thought, with all the governmental 'we will cover the losses from our exiting of the EU' being announced, where will all this money that we currently get from the EU actually come from?
More importantly, at the end of 2020, what happens then?
Our government who are so firmly in control have not spilled the beans of that scenario. Will they have the IMF on 'speed dial' to bale the UK out?

woman11017 · 25/08/2018 12:42

Although we feel isolated fighting all this, it is worth remembering that in Turkey, Russia, US and Poland there are some fine people doing the same. Still.
The Turkish resistance is supremely impressive, as was their support for Greeks during recent horrendous fires,
Today in Istanbul:
twitter.com/dokuz8_EN/status/1033296491757154304
On week 700 of #SaturdayMothers gathering on Istanbul's Istiklal Avenue, police has tried to detain one person; HDP deputies Hüda Kaya, Ahmet Şık and Garo Paylan have resisted

OhYouBadBadKitten · 25/08/2018 13:55

I'm startled by how quickly the technical notices were dropped by the media. I can only think that things are going to be so bad that that they've been silenced. I can't think of any other reason.

1tisILeClerc · 25/08/2018 14:16

Ohyoubad
That is an interesting concept, publishing public documents secretly!
I was busy so only saw one, I presume they are on a website somewhere??

woman11017 · 25/08/2018 14:34

I'm startled by how quickly the technical notices were dropped by the media
This?

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Thomasinaa · 25/08/2018 14:35

How has the media been silenced? Presumably they've made it very clear to the BBC that they will abolish the licence fee if they don't do what they're told?
It feels so surreal, hearing people nattering on on the BBC, talking about tiny little things the government is proposing to do, as if Brexit didn't exist. No wonder no-one takes it seriously.

frankiestein401 · 25/08/2018 14:43

@1tislLeClerk - notices are here:
www.gov.uk/government/collections/how-to-prepare-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal

oddly its not clear how to navigate to these from the brexit pages of gov. uk