to ask whether Brexit is at all like you imagined it would play out?

[whatyadoing]

Because it's a bit chaotic and mental to my mind!

I thought it would be a nightmare shit storm and I still think that. Although I think it will be worse.

I perhaps didn't realise how utterly furious I would be at having Freedom of Movement stripped from me and my children and the absolutely disgusting way EU Citizens have been treated, the N. Ireland issue, food and medicine supplies, the utter waste of recreating agencies, the job losses, the fact that nothing else is being addressed, the looting of the NHS still to come, the apathy, the lack of opposition, the 'we were fine without them, it'll be fine attitude', the bollocks about the millennium bug...etc etc. The whole thing is a hellish nightmare.

And yes, the people that still think the EU are big old meanies blow my mind. We have constantly wanged on about our red lines that make it impossible for the EU to offer us anything like we have now. Our standard of living is about to take a massive hit. Small minded exceptionalist fools. Landing on this thread in 3,2,1...

The Remain campaign was a half-hearted shambles because they didn't appear to believe that people would vote out. More fool them.
The Leave campaign was run by a set of liars & scare-mongers. NHS bus, etc.
It wasn't clear if it was advisory.
The referendum was poorly worded. It should have required a significant majority, IMHO.
The Conservatives should have had a clear plan for what happened in the event of a Leave vote. Massive fail by them that they didnt.
Brexit hasn't happened yet.
I can see why people are worried. This government do not inspire confidence.

No. I thought the government would have to start getting real and explaining to voters what was ACTUALLY implementable at some point, but they haven't. I thought we'd have a WORKABLE plan for leaving by now!

Won’t really know for 20-50 years but honestly I’m shocked at how ridiculously incompetent the government is proving to be. I voted remain for what it’s worth but I was honestly somewhat on the fence.

I didn’t realise how incompetent David Davis was.
I mean he has such swagger and arrogance- and it’s clear now that behind that there was nothing.

Not at all. I assumed as the government asked the people what they wanted they should of had at least a rough idea what we would get.

Tbh I don't remember anything about staying before the vote it was all about leaving about how that is the best outcome.

It's a shit storm waiting to happen.

'I didn’t realise how incompetent David Davis was'

Yes, the level of his incompetence is really quite something, isn't it? It's his arrogance and complacency that gets me. Every time he was interviewed, it was all chortle-chortle, you don't have to be very clever to do my job, ha-ha-ha, it's be fine, tee-hee, what a fantastic wheeze. All so bloody hilarious eh?

And then he naffs off and leaves everyone in the shit, with absolutely no suggestions about plans or alternatives or anything even remotely helpful. What an utter plum. A total waste of space. He still repulses me less than Boris Johnson though. Don't get me started....

It’s much, much worse.

I work in aviation, an industry which could be very badly affected by Brexit. We have been asking the department of transport for the last two years for guidance on what preparations and contingencies we should put in place effective 30 March 19, but they have given us no information whatsoever.

Our view is that this isn’t because they don’t want to tell us, it’s because they don’t know.

The government is completely incompetent and totally clueless. They literally don’t know what they are doing. No preparation work whatsoever was done before the referendum, and nothing was thought through before A50 was triggered. They began the process of leaving without having the first clue about where they wanted to end up or how to get there.

Brexit is a total shambles.

A total waste of space. He still repulses me less than Boris Johnson though. Don't get me started....

Me too. My blood pressure rises at his name. Sigh.

I had hoped that the Cabinet at least would have come to an agreement about what sort of Brexit it was going to seek, and that it would have been obvious to them that an EEA-minus agreement was the only option, as 80% of MPs and 99% of civil servants were telling them.

As they said on Yes, Minister, "if you must do this bloody stupid thing, for the love of god don't do it in this bloody stupid way"!

How the hell the referendum got implemented without a 2/3 majority, or making it clear it would be a mandate to develop Leave options, is beyond me. Never before in my life have I known something so much 'if you think it's easy, you haven't understood the problem'...

MonumentVal

Spot on. Over the last two years I have not met one single person who voted Leave who had even the most basic understanding of the scale and complexities of the issues facing industries like aviation, agriculture or manufacturing. The potential effect on retail supply chains is genuinely scary.

If you think David Davis was bad, meet Dominic Raab. Doesn't believe in workers rights, doesn't believe in the Human Rights Act, thinks feminists are "obnoxious bigots".

www.facebook.com/Dianeabbott/videos/1160924177383372/

He couldn't give a damn about the will of the people, only who can make most money for his mates.

I'm tired of the whole argument saying brexit is a long-term move... it's just a way for brexiteers to disown the whole sorry mess. The world moves fast, no one can truly predict what dynamics will dominate in two generations (aware this works both ways). Long term is important but it never makes sense to create difficulties where they can be avoided. Decisions should be based on the world as it is now, as it's working right now, not as it might be in 50 years.
Real long-term issues like climate change are different because we can already measure short-term impact. We would do well to act now so we're not screwed in 50 years. Brexit's long term 'benefits' on the other hand are purely speculative.

I suspected it would be a total shambles and very few or none of the Brexit promises could be fulfilled, but even I am shocked by the utter sh*t show the government has made of this (and I say this as a former Conservative Party member, I don't think I can ever vote for them again).

Even the best case will cost each and every one of use thousands each year.

Basically, how can we expect positive long-term effects from a decision that's already bad in the short term?

Does anyone actually know what's happening? Like anything?

The White Paper has already been rejected by EU as being a bit too much we want to leave your club but still use all the facilities. It is worth a read. On the whole it comes across as a stalling mechanism to buy us time to make proper plans.
Analytical [[https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/pms-brexit-white-paper-what-does-it-mean summary]].

Not at all like I imagined. I thought remain would win narrowly but when leave won I thought, ok, now article 50 will be triggered and the government plan for leaving will swing into action. It never crossed my mind that they wouldn't have a plan if leave won and people ready to begin putting it in place.

I underestimated the ineptitude and irresponsibility of the Tories. Whatever happens after 31/3/19 I won't be surprized.

J. Hunt saying today "we are heading for no deal"... so it's a statement of fact now, not even a risk anymore.
Seriously guys, please please stop this madness!

It’s not happened yet so I don’t know

Everything AdequateFood said, although i struggle to be so restrained

Yes.

@Qwerty there are enough warnings about what will happen for sure with a no-deal brexit in many areas now. Don't claim ignorance. There are known consequences! As sure as night follows day.

No, it has been ridiclously chaotic. I knew it would involve a lot of administrative complexity, but didn't expect it to be like watching the results of a series of In the Thick of It that was scrapped for implausibility.