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Westministenders: A LOOOONNNGGGGGGGG Hot Summer

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RedToothBrush · 24/07/2018 19:57

May has officially demoted Raab and the Brexit Department to just being responsible for practical implimentation in the UK and not negogitions.

This shouldn't be a surprise, its been the case in reality for some time, much to David Davis annoyance.

The official government position now seems to be scare the shit out of everyone about the possibility of No Deal in order to force the EU to make a deal. Jeremy Hunt has been dutifully spelling this out, by talking about an 'accidental' Brexit.

The government are already outsourcing responsibility for this potential eventuality to industy and business by telling them they need to stockpile food in order to keep supply lines going. This WILL mean price rises will start to happen soon. It also means there is no coordinated government plan and if businesses can't afford to do this as its heavily dependant on having sufficient cash flow in reserve to be able to do it, or don't want to, then you, me and everyone else is going to be well and truly on their own. Whilst the public are not being told to stockpile, its hard to justify not doing so, if this is the current government line.

The government has also done a u-turn on when the repeal of the European Communities Act will come into force. They fought hard to have it fixed for 29th March 2019. Thats now been rolled back to Dec 2020. This is fine, but in practice, makes no difference what so ever if we have no deal or the EU refuse to honour a transition deal on the terms the UK want. The ERG will also go nuts at it and try to get May to roll back on it.

Raab has also made a point of saying that if we don't have a deal by October (rather than midnight 29th March 2019) we are going into No Deal land by default.

Parliament has now broken up for the summer, with May surviving, so things are likely to be a little quieter for a few weeks, but come September this is all going to blow up with avengance.

If you think the last few weeks have been a rollercoaster, just wait for the Autumn.

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Talkstotrees · 25/07/2018 12:26

Thanks for the link Cailleach1

Buteo has posted some interesting stuff re WTO
ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/initiatives/com-2018-312_en

Cailleach1 · 25/07/2018 12:51

So, can we expect Bannerman to hand in his pension, then? And refuse to take the EU's shilling? Return it to HMRC and the British coffers.

Where would being an MEP fit in relation to the EU? Full of baloney.

Is Farage so worried about British money going to the EU he is refusing to accept a pension? Or indeed sending his wages and expenses as 'conscience money' back to HMRC?

They're full of it.

54321go · 25/07/2018 12:53

Thanks Cailleach
Yes a great summary which so many in the UK should listen to.
The comment he makes about the UK not necessarily being wanted BACK into the EU if /when it leaves should carry more weight than it sounds. For many reasons the UK needs to find a 'bigger state' to hang on to, as despite it's past it really is now a pretty small fish and will struggle.

DGRossetti · 25/07/2018 12:59

Just emailed MP on behalf of myself and DW about securing medicines and support in a no-deal scenario ... maybe a flood of emails like that might prompt something.

DarlingNikita · 25/07/2018 13:17

Thanks Red. Marking place.

ConstantlyCold · 25/07/2018 13:27

Anyone hear the guy on James O'Brien. WTO going to be bureaucratic nightmare

I listened to him earlier. Made me realise I know absolutely nothing about the WTO.

DGRossetti · 25/07/2018 13:44

The comment he makes about the UK not necessarily being wanted BACK into the EU if /when it leaves should carry more weight than it sounds.

Assuming that could happen, you can bet your life all sorts of conditions would be attached ...

GhostofFrankGrimes · 25/07/2018 13:52

Anyone hear the guy on James O'Brien. WTO going to be bureaucratic nightmare

Yep, I can picture the Daily Mail headlines..2020.."Tyranny of the WTO bureaucrats"

The never ending wars...

MrHoolieswaistcoat · 25/07/2018 13:53

Thanks Cailleach He doesn’t take any prisoners does he? Every Brexiteer should be forced to watch that.
I loved the ‘Gimme Gimme Gimme a plan after midnight’ at the bottom of that Private Eye cover. If I couldn’t laugh at this total crock of shit now and again, I think I would lose the will to live.

DGRossetti · 25/07/2018 13:56

I loved the ‘Gimme Gimme Gimme a plan after midnight’ at the bottom of that Private Eye cover. If I couldn’t laugh at this total crock of shit now and again, I think I would lose the will to live.

Well, we are British.

Is Corbyn touring the festivals in 2018 ?

54321go · 25/07/2018 14:17

Corbyn in spandex, together with Trump as was 'proposed' a few weeks back. The 'Dynamic duo'.

DGRossetti · 25/07/2018 14:20

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-22/u-k-brexit-hit-already-exceeds-eu-budget-payments-study-shows

The damage to the U.K. economy caused by the vote to leave the European Union two years ago already exceeds the size of the budget contributions Britain will be able to claw back when it finally leaves the bloc, according to an economic study by the Centre for European Reform.

Uncertainty caused by Brexit has already caused a 2.1 percent dip in economic output, even before Britain’s departure next March, the CER said late Friday in an emailed statement. That’s cost the public finances 23 billion pounds ($30 billion) in lost tax revenue, the think tank said.

The economic damage means the Treasury has less money to spend on public services, and knocks on the head the idea that Britain will enjoy a “Brexit dividend” when it no longer has to contribute to the European budget, it said.

(contd)

54321go · 25/07/2018 14:27

Oh dear, someone shot the Brexit unicorn.

DGRossetti · 25/07/2018 14:31

wait till we start getting downgraded by S&P etc ...

54321go · 25/07/2018 14:38

But I can feel the sunny uplands beckoning me.

DGRossetti · 25/07/2018 14:55

Oh, dear ...

www.thenational.scot/comment/16374993.supreme-court-hears-the-sentence-that-says-it-all-about-the-dis-united-kingdom/

SPREAD these 10 words far and wide, for these 10 words say everything that is wrong about this dis-United Kingdom.

“The UK Parliament is sovereign, the Scottish Parliament is not.”

With this one sentence during his long, complex and polite submission to the UK Supreme Court, the Advocate General for Scotland, Lord Richard Sanderson Keen, Baron Keen of Elie, bared Westminster’s teeth and snarled the truth. To repeat, Keen said: “The UK Parliament is sovereign, the Scottish Parliament is not.”

You would hardly expect a former chairman of the Scottish Conservatives to say anything else, and strictly in legal terms he is quite correct, for indeed the Scottish Parliament is not legally sovereign.

But oh, my dear Lord Keen, what a colossal error you have made. For every true Scot reading those words of yours will howl their protest at you and your friends in Westminster and the various Unionist branch offices in Scotland, and this is what they will say … It is the Scottish PEOPLE who are sovereign, and not the Queen, nor any parliament, nor any court – sovereignty in Scotland resides with the people of Scotland, and they and they alone must define the future of this country. At least we now know what Westminster really thinks of us …

^The 10 words were said in the UK Supreme Court, which has been asked by the Westminster Government to decide whether the UK Withdrawal from the European Union (Legal Continuity) (Scotland) Bill,
passed by 94 votes to 30 in the Scottish Parliament on March 21, is within the “legislative competence” of Holyrood.^

It’s a fair question, particularly since the Westminster Parliament passed the European Union (Withdrawal) Act on June 26 after it was railroaded through both Houses of Parliament by a Tory Government hell-bent on Brexit at all costs. Keen was first to address the seven justices in the UK Supreme Court. There were no wigs or gowns on show in the televised court, and while its president, Lady Hale, wore a fetching yellow and white butterfly brooch, no significance should be attached to that.

With hundreds of pages of submissions and tough questions to answer in the court, it was no wonder that the Advocate General sometimes got a bit lost. However, their lordships helped out and it has to be said that Keen put the UK Government’s case with vigour during nearly three-and-a-half hours of spoken submissions that added to the 53-page written submission made jointly by the Advocate General and the UK Government’s Attorney General.

Occasionally he and his opponent, Scotland’s Lord Advocate James Wolffe, appeared discomfited by questions put to them by justices such as Lord Sumption, reputedly the cleverest man in the UK, but they always quickly regained their composure. Again and again, Keen referred to the “sovereign Parliament” and also repeated a phrase whose orotundity he clearly enjoyed: “The constitutional kaleidoscope has been shaken.”

That is certainly true.

RedToothBrush · 25/07/2018 15:08

I listened to him earlier. Made me realise I know absolutely nothing about the WTO.

That'll be you and pretty much every politician who is advocating it then.

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borntobequiet · 25/07/2018 15:18

I just emailed my MP re shortages of medicines, stockpiling and so on.

I finished:

You, as an MP, should be working with other sensible politicians to put a stop to what I can only describe as this appalling shitstorm. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for letting it go so far.

I think the country will be destroyed by Brexit - I can only hope the Conservative party is destroyed with it.

DGRossetti · 25/07/2018 15:21

borntobequiet

I wonder if they will respond calling you a traitor ?

MimpiDreams · 25/07/2018 15:55

So the tweet about trying EU supporters for treason has reached Brussels. Surprisingly it's not gone down too well.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2018 15:58

Barnier telling the Lords EU Committee that he & his colleagues are very worried

Stating again that the EU will insist on a genuine backstop

http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/european-union-committee/scrutiny-of-brexit-negotiations/oral/87047.pdf

"I would be very interested in your analysis of the votes that took place last night in the Commons.

We are very worried, to be absolutely frank with you.

I do not think that anyone in the United Kingdom should underestimate our requirement, hand in hand with the Government of Ireland, on behalf of whom I negotiate too, that there be a backstop
—and I mean “a” backstop, an operational backstop in the withdrawal agreement.
No one should underestimate that question."

borntobequiet · 25/07/2018 16:05

I wonder if they will respond calling you a traitor ?
She will forward it to the MInister For Treasonous Intent and I will get a long waffling reply, if previous correspondence is anything to go by.

DGRossetti · 25/07/2018 16:14

.. any old gits around ? Who knows "El Condor Paso" ?

I'd rather be a traitor than a tory...

MrHoolieswaistcoat · 25/07/2018 16:20

DG I know the Simon and Garfunkel version - was that the original or was it a cover version? I would definitely rather be a traitor than a Tory as well as rather being a forest than a street. You’ve given me an ear worm now.

Mrsr8 · 25/07/2018 16:22

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