AIBU yo wish that Tony Blair would come back?

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We have a weak PM, albeit a woman, who is clinging on for dear life to control of her party. We have no Opposition. Corbyn, who has his own pathetic Trotskyist agenda, is doing nothing when he could seize the moment and turn the tide against Brexit. We do have some opposing forces in the form of the Lib Dem’s, but they don’t seem strong enough to effect change despite trying hard. What we need is someone like Tony Blair, an experienced politician and who has the clout to put forward an argument convincing enough to stir people into action and rid us of the half-baked lot on both sides. We also need someone who is truthful and can inspire confidence. What about the Iraq war? Tony Blair is a big enough Politician to have admitted his mistakes on Iraq and acknowledged he could have done things differently. Come Back Tony, the U.K. desperately needs you!

David Miliband perhaps, but not Blair - he's too tainted by Iraq.

Yvette cooper.

No, Tony blair should rightly be put on trial for war crimes, he has no right coming back to anything.

^^This.

Is this a reverse?!

TB can jog on.

The hatred for Tony Blair is greater on here than anywhere else I've seen.

I agree with @soapboxqueen.

I heard Tony Blair talking on the radio the other day - he was talking about Brexit and how absolutely stupendously stupid the whole thing was. I've heard Michael Heseltine and Ken Clarke say exactly the same thing. I also heard Nick Clegg say the same.

Those four politicians are the only ones that have said exactly what I think. So - one ex PM, two old Tories and a Lib Dem. I've always voted Labour but voted Lib Dem in the last election as a protest vote - I don't feel I can vote Labour again at the moment.

I have no faith in any of the parties now.

Btw two Tory vice-chairs have resigned now over Brexit plans.

Here.

@HollowTalk that's exactly where I am politically. I've always voted labour but voted lib dem last time. I can't vote labour because they are a shambles and because I was told my last labour vote meant I was pro-brexit.

I don't particularly like any of the parties big or small.

I wrote to my MP, Angela Eagle, asking her to break the Whip for the Brexit bill. She refused saying basically she nearly always towed the party line and one of the only times she didn't was over tuition fees.

I couldn't understand her logic. Anything to do with tuition fees could've been changed a year later, or five years later. Nothing is set in stone.

Brexit was something so all-encompassing and huge, and given they and we, the voters, didn't have any idea of what was going to happen it seemed crazy that she would decide to toe the line on that but not on tuition fees.

I'm not sure any brown nosing Blair did to Bush will ever match up to the great Trump arselicking-for-a-shitty-trade-deal to come. If you were embarrassed for Britain then, just wait.

That man should be on trial for war crimes. He's far better off pimping himself out around the ME that even his planet-sized ego wouldn't be able to come back.

Even if the Conservatives collapse in a limp heap with every single MP having had a turn in Cabinet, there's still no way the Brexit decision as voted democratically by the UK can be walked back.

Yes, HollowTalk and Soapboxqieen - I’m in the same place too. I feel utterly disempowered because if there were to be any kind of election (even though it’s not relevant right now) there is absolutely no party that appears to have competent, strategic thinkers who are able to think about long-term outcomes for the country. Until 2016 I never felt so despondent.

Exactly, @SunnySomer. I can't think of any active politician that I respect enough to keep in office.

TSS of course brexit can be walked back. The only reason it hasn't so far is because brexiteers are making out like anything other than complete capitulation is treason and too many MPs are 'keeping their powder dry' = I want to keep my job/don't have the clout to do anything.

Now, that doesn't mean I think the vote should be ignored. I think it was a bad question based on the arrogance of David Cameron. So we now have everyman and his dog claiming they know what the people wanted when there were so many different options being floated about. The reality is nobody really know what people wanted from that vote or what they envisaged would happen.

As it happens now, I think the only thing that will get through parliament and still be even slightly appealing to the EU, is roughly what TM is trying to achieve. Which isn't what remainers want (as it is out of the EU) or what many hardline/vocal brexiteers want (which I can understand from their perspective). So we are left with either something few want or a vote on the deal or similar.

We'll be left weaker than ever, though, because we'll be left having to obey rules that we aren't involved in implementing.

As someone on here said yesterday, the fact Putin wants us to leave should be enough!

There isn't a less credible candidate imaginable, seriously, I'd rather they dug up Jimmy Saville's corpse and stuck that piece of shit in Downing Street.

It's utterly ridiculous statements like this that make me realise there is a definite campaign to smear Tony Blair.

I remember how exciting it was the day he came to power - a day long party to celebrate with like minded friends , it felt like real change was coming from the wreckage of the Labour Party.

The realisation of what a hypocritical actor he was, with such an eye for the main chance, was so depressing. Dear God, no - this has to be satire.

There is a definite campaign to smear Tony Blair.

Nope, not needed.

Those of us old enough to live through the 70's 80's and 90's will recall that the oily twat did that himself with his weapons of mass destruction, illegal war and the genocide that followed.

He should be in prison.

I am old enough to remember the 70s, 80s and 90s. Margaret Thatcher and the Falklands, David Cameron and Syria - don't try and tell me they would not have done exactly the same that Blair did.

Regardless of any of that, what you said was beneath contempt. It trivialises the vile crimes that Jimmy Savile committed and you should be ashamed of yourself for even making that comparison. It was a disgusting thing to say.

I assume he can only return after the seven trumpets, and riding upon a scarlet beast with seven heads and ten horns...

No it doesn't trivialise anything.

Saville was a nonce, lowest of the low.

Blair is a war criminal with blood on his hands.

Does anybody think he isn't a war criminal?

There is no good alternative I can see.
But I’ve sussed it we don’t have a party at the moment.
We put;
Martin Lewis the chancellor
Mary portas in charge of business
Queen foreign minister- I actually think she could sort this shit shambles out.
Dr xand, dr ranj and dr Chris in charge of health

Obviously my cabinet is a work in progress

Yabvvvvu. Tony Blair... he was so, so good at what he did, until he decided civil liberties were an inconvenience and illegal war was just fine. I am not one of the people that writes him off completely- I think Labour under Blair did a great deal.of good. But he did some genuinely awful, unforgivable things and one of the consequences is that he will never be widely regarded as credible again. Far more people paid a far higher price for his choices than that.

Agree with the above comments about him being a war criminal. He should be bought to trial not only for the Iraq war but also for the impact on people like Robert Kelly, the scientist that committed suicide.
I believe Tony Blair is evil in a western form IE not your osama bin laden or sadam Hussain but white Middle Aged man in a suit. Well spoken, pleasant to people, modern with a nice family and a highly educated and (by many) highly respected wife.
Terrible awful man who will get away with blood on his hands.

The problem with Tony Blair being tried as a war criminal is that you'd have to try George W. Bush's entire US administration under the same charges, and most of them are not only still active in US politics but as the world's superpower they are still in a position to decide if a war crime was committed in Iraq or not. So you're on a hiding to nothing until China's superpower status is secured, and if at that point they will be at all bothered about persecuting the US and Britain over the Iraq war.

Russia might be more interested though, because it would be a great way to keep British globalism neutered and at odds with the EU, and to poke at the US without actually going to war.