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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:29

Where next?

Auditions for chief turd polisher to Mrs May are in full action, whilst those who don't believe in the turd, wade about knee deep in their own shit, still searching for that illusive plan for Brexit which doesn't stink to high heaven of crap.

After the dual resignation of Davis and Johnson, amongst the stench there is an air of uncertainity and expectation of all hell breaking loose.

In the last 48 hours we have been told that

  1. May is more secure having crushed the brexiteers,
  2. May about to be ousted by a no confidence vote, triggering a leadership election,
  3. The Tory Party are about to split,
  4. Brexiteers are in disarray fighting amongst themselves,
  5. We will remain in the EU,
  6. We get an EEA deal,
  7. We will get no deal,
  8. A People's vote is inevitable and
  9. There will be a General Election.

Which only serves to merely highlight just how little of a clue ANYONE has about what happens next.

What bothers me now, is that Johnson seems not to have surfaced yet and there are rumours that Gove has gone to ground, whilst Donald Trump is practically on the plane and is stirring the pot praising Johnson.

Instead we seem to have a series of junior ministers and Tory HQ figures quitting in a long drawn out coordinated toy throwing out of the pram exercise, to try and get what hard brexiteers want.

If I had to hazard a guess at the general silence from key figures, I might be tempted to say that someone is going to use Trump's visit to throw a political grenade and actively invite him to endorse them.

That might sound ridiculous given that the public hates Trump, but that loses sight of the fact that the people who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party are overwhelming authoritarian leaning and likely to be those who like Trump and would be impressed by such a move.

I note this tweet today from the wise Sarah Kendzior:

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
"There are parallels to past authoritarianism, but what's happening with Trump, in the digital age, is new and transnational. The president's loyalty is not necessarily to a state but to foreign leaders and multinational criminal alliances. The state is just something to sell."

It is clear that others in the parliamentary party will be very alarmed at the prospect. There were Tory MPs who were openly tweeted how please that disgusting Johnson had gone and are no fans of Trump.

May still seems to think that she can get her plan through and approved by the EU in its current form. The White Paper is due on Thursday.

Much speculation is that it will be significant if she fails to produce this on time, as she will have capitulated to the Brexiteers. And this will lead to the EU just giving up on us anyway.

She also announced to the Cabinet today, that preparations for No Deal were to be stepped up significantly.

We still are left wondering who, she is stitching up; the Brexiteers whose heads are currently exploding or the friends she keeps closest to her (friends? or ideological enemies).

The problem is that there just no other viable way forward at the moment, as the country is divided, both Labour and the Conservatives are divided and are more interested in their own future than that of the party and there are far too many ambitious 'celebrity MPs' who want to make their mark. No one gives a shit about ordinary workers or business. Plus there is the divine observation that DGRossetti made at the end of the last thread: The biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers

The grab for post-Brexit power shows the whole of Westminister up as the cess pit of self interest it is, with Boris Johnson merely its biggest figure head.

Wait until the GFA officially has its head put on the chopping block awaiting its fate. Perhaps we can flog NI to Donald and get a Brexit Dividend afterall.

I must admit to finding it hard to have a view that is altogether different to this:
James Patrick @J_amesp
There is no way back from all of this. The next seven days simply decide how badly - on a scale of fucked to smouldering crater - it is going to end.

One final predictation, which I am DAMN certain of: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all going to be grim for political watching if you are into democratic values and principles. It will be a 4 day sales pitch for Brand Trump in all its All American Overblown Horror that Brits tend to find utterly distasteful. Expect the red carpet of full of turd glitter to be rolled out for Donald Trump Show. Expect May to embarass herself in her fawning all over him, as if she's star struck. Expect that hideously cringeworthy photo thats totally inevitable.

Politics is going to get worse. It may never get better.

(But yay football gets to cover it all up... Come on England!)

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RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 07:35

David Lanny @ davidlammy
Some say we are wrong to insult a sitting US President by protesting on Friday. But Trump's rejection of May and support for Boris shows how he responds to sycophants.

Trump wants to install Johnson as PM.

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lonelyplanetmum · 11/07/2018 07:40

Re The Turnip plan- I do think the Sun (and possibly the government) is buying into this approach:

" If we show we are stockpiling in preparation for No Deal then the EU will change the whole basis of the organisation for our benefit."

It's sort of a passive aggressive hunger strike way of trying to get what we want (if only we knew what that was).

Regarding Born's post about decent Americans attending our Trump protest, and being grateful for our support. There are some very supportive Americans.The current view from some of the US press is worth a read. Interestingly they seem to be ramping up comment before Trump's visit..

"But Britain is teetering on the edge, on the verge of making catastrophic, irreversibly damaging mistakes. The danger is that Johnson might tip the balance in the wrong direction once again."

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/10/opinion/boris-johnson-resignation-brexit.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/07/09/the-intellectual-dishonesty-of-the-brexit-taliban-is-now-in-full-view/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.022969e54b58

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/09/opinion/editorials/britain-brexit-boris-johnson.html

lonelyplanetmum · 11/07/2018 07:44

Trump wants to install Johnson as PM.

With Farage as deputy? How's their golden friendship? Nige must be trying for a photo op surely.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 07:59

The horror cabinet let off the leash of the law is a truly frightening prospect.

We DO NOT need Farage in it. There are plenty of Tories who are opposed to Human Rights, want to sell the NHS and other state assets and bring back workhouses and hanging and jerrymander democratic process without the need to worry about Farage.

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RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 08:02

Kevin Schofield @ polhomeeditor
William Hague pointing out an uncomfortable truth for Tory Brexiteers - even if they replace Theresa May, there is no Commons majority for their vision.

I caution on this.

Everyone said that Republicans wouldn't let Trump get away with X. Until they rolled over.

Do you have faith that Soubry, Clark and Grieve will stand up to a new hard-line Tory leader?

I don't.

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RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 08:05

Sam Coates Times @ samcoatestimes
There are (at least) 4 brexiteer factions

ERG (including for these purposes DD) - want to kill the deal

Team Boris - preparing public campaign

Andrew Bridgen & al - Force no confidence vote into May now

Loyalists - betting on May staying

Guide:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b1889cbe-8488-11e8-ad58-ae35970199d3
Brexiteer factions and their tactics

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TheElementsSong · 11/07/2018 08:07

Ministers draw up secret plans to stockpile processed food in case of a ‘no deal’ Brexit

I wonder whether all those Leavers who were up in arms about prepping hysteria (whilst being very careful to not actually pledge not to prepare at all) will be back to admit they were wrong claim that they foresaw all along that good patriots would naturally keep stockpiles.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 08:08

Jo Maugham QC @ jolyonmaugham
Why won't Labour say: 'Vote Leave cheated, it broke the laws for the fair conduct of the Referendum set down by Parliament, and the result is not safe'?

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FloraHiggins · 11/07/2018 08:13

Lovely dose of appeasement this morning in preparation for trump’s visit? Additional troops being sent to Afghanistan.

DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 08:39

Pro-Brexit Tories 'give Theresa May one week' to drop Chequers plan or face no confidence vote

Which means they're weak and fearful. As noted previously (by me Grin) when you have power, you don't need threats.

Remember all the "threats" about resignations earlier in the year ?

Here's an idea to push on social media. A pro Brexit Tory should resign his seat, and then campaign for re election not as a Tory, but as a Brexiteer ... if they get back in, we can continue with the will of the people bullshit. If not ....

DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 08:42

Why won't Labour say: 'Vote Leave cheated, it broke the laws for the fair conduct of the Referendum set down by Parliament, and the result is not safe'?

Who'd believe them ?

prettybird · 11/07/2018 08:45

I'm glad I'm going to be out tonight at the Paul Simon concert in the Hydro Wink is there a football game on? Grin

Re prepping, I'm about to sow some veg to overwinter in the greenhouse, so that I should have some crops available for the "fallow" period of March/April Grin

🐟🎣👑 Place Mat King.

Peregrina · 11/07/2018 09:02

Trump wants to install Johnson as PM.

Does Johnson want to install Johnson as PM? Well yes, but not right now thanks. Let someone else do all the dirty work. Trump also wanted to install Farage as Ambassador, I recall. When told there was no vacancy for an Ambassador in Washington, he seemed to go off Farage.

A pro Brexit Tory should resign his seat, and then campaign for re election not as a Tory, but as a Brexiteer ... if they get back in, we can continue with the will of the people bullshit. If not ....

This has to be in a marginal seat - no use putting up a candidate in one where the Tories could put up a pig in a blue rosette and it would get elected.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 09:05

Funny how Philip Davis prattles on about being in a marginal and no one caring on the erg WhatsApp.

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DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 09:07

This has to be in a marginal seat - no use putting up a candidate in one where the Tories could put up a pig in a blue rosette and it would get elected.

Oh, I forgot. The Tories also put a candidate up. So you'd have:

BROWN: (Brexit party)
JONES: (Con)
SMITH: (Lab)
TAYLOR: (LibDems)
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DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 09:07

Hope we are edging towards the existential question about whether you can be a Remainer and a Tory.

DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 09:09

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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
Peregrina · 11/07/2018 09:10

Come on DGR this was tried at the last election (UKIP) and their vote collapsed. I was Observing at the Count - it was a joy to behold, you could see their vote had gone as soon as the ballot boxes were opened.

Peregrina · 11/07/2018 09:14

The list of resignations/sackings is interesting, but doesn't distinguish those who were given the old heave ho for bad behaviour e.g. Toby Young and Priti Patel, and those like Justine Greening, who was beginning to do a decent job at Education and was given the push for not being a grammar school zealot.

DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 09:15

Come on DGR this was tried at the last election (UKIP) and their vote collapsed. I was Observing at the Count - it was a joy to behold, you could see their vote had gone as soon as the ballot boxes were opened.

Yes, but someone needs to prick this "respect the will of the people" bubble.

One thing which I admit puzzles me ....

Why does it matter what any MPs think now they've waved through the legislation necessary for Brexit ? If they we happy enough to vote for it, then why aren't they happy to follow it ? And more importantly, why do I need to ask that question when we are supposed to have journalists and experts who should be explaining it in the media ?

DGRossetti · 11/07/2018 09:16

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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 09:28

usa.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/jacob-rees-mogg-what-id-do-as-uk-home-secretary/
Jacob Rees-Mogg: What I’d do as UK Home Secretary

That's loyalty for you...

...in the US version of the Spectator too.

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Arborea · 11/07/2018 09:31

Rosetti, that list doesn't seem to include Boris Johnson? (Or are my eyes deceiving me?)

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2018 09:33

Anyway,

Today's agenda is watching Trump break Nato.

Followed by no one blinking at it, cos football.

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Peregrina · 11/07/2018 09:35

Funnily enough, what Rees-Mogg is saying to the Americans has lots of elements I agree with. Yes it's madness to need more Doctors but then refuse to issue visas - but wait a minute - we used to have doctors free to move in from the EU and they have been made unwelcome so are going home.

Besides which, what he says and what he does are two different things.

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