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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:29

Where next?

Auditions for chief turd polisher to Mrs May are in full action, whilst those who don't believe in the turd, wade about knee deep in their own shit, still searching for that illusive plan for Brexit which doesn't stink to high heaven of crap.

After the dual resignation of Davis and Johnson, amongst the stench there is an air of uncertainity and expectation of all hell breaking loose.

In the last 48 hours we have been told that

  1. May is more secure having crushed the brexiteers,
  2. May about to be ousted by a no confidence vote, triggering a leadership election,
  3. The Tory Party are about to split,
  4. Brexiteers are in disarray fighting amongst themselves,
  5. We will remain in the EU,
  6. We get an EEA deal,
  7. We will get no deal,
  8. A People's vote is inevitable and
  9. There will be a General Election.

Which only serves to merely highlight just how little of a clue ANYONE has about what happens next.

What bothers me now, is that Johnson seems not to have surfaced yet and there are rumours that Gove has gone to ground, whilst Donald Trump is practically on the plane and is stirring the pot praising Johnson.

Instead we seem to have a series of junior ministers and Tory HQ figures quitting in a long drawn out coordinated toy throwing out of the pram exercise, to try and get what hard brexiteers want.

If I had to hazard a guess at the general silence from key figures, I might be tempted to say that someone is going to use Trump's visit to throw a political grenade and actively invite him to endorse them.

That might sound ridiculous given that the public hates Trump, but that loses sight of the fact that the people who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party are overwhelming authoritarian leaning and likely to be those who like Trump and would be impressed by such a move.

I note this tweet today from the wise Sarah Kendzior:

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
"There are parallels to past authoritarianism, but what's happening with Trump, in the digital age, is new and transnational. The president's loyalty is not necessarily to a state but to foreign leaders and multinational criminal alliances. The state is just something to sell."

It is clear that others in the parliamentary party will be very alarmed at the prospect. There were Tory MPs who were openly tweeted how please that disgusting Johnson had gone and are no fans of Trump.

May still seems to think that she can get her plan through and approved by the EU in its current form. The White Paper is due on Thursday.

Much speculation is that it will be significant if she fails to produce this on time, as she will have capitulated to the Brexiteers. And this will lead to the EU just giving up on us anyway.

She also announced to the Cabinet today, that preparations for No Deal were to be stepped up significantly.

We still are left wondering who, she is stitching up; the Brexiteers whose heads are currently exploding or the friends she keeps closest to her (friends? or ideological enemies).

The problem is that there just no other viable way forward at the moment, as the country is divided, both Labour and the Conservatives are divided and are more interested in their own future than that of the party and there are far too many ambitious 'celebrity MPs' who want to make their mark. No one gives a shit about ordinary workers or business. Plus there is the divine observation that DGRossetti made at the end of the last thread: The biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers

The grab for post-Brexit power shows the whole of Westminister up as the cess pit of self interest it is, with Boris Johnson merely its biggest figure head.

Wait until the GFA officially has its head put on the chopping block awaiting its fate. Perhaps we can flog NI to Donald and get a Brexit Dividend afterall.

I must admit to finding it hard to have a view that is altogether different to this:
James Patrick @J_amesp
There is no way back from all of this. The next seven days simply decide how badly - on a scale of fucked to smouldering crater - it is going to end.

One final predictation, which I am DAMN certain of: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all going to be grim for political watching if you are into democratic values and principles. It will be a 4 day sales pitch for Brand Trump in all its All American Overblown Horror that Brits tend to find utterly distasteful. Expect the red carpet of full of turd glitter to be rolled out for Donald Trump Show. Expect May to embarass herself in her fawning all over him, as if she's star struck. Expect that hideously cringeworthy photo thats totally inevitable.

Politics is going to get worse. It may never get better.

(But yay football gets to cover it all up... Come on England!)

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20nil · 16/07/2018 07:39

Can someone cut and paste BJ’s article please?

BrexitWife · 16/07/2018 07:56

A second referendum, a GE?
How long do they think we still have to come up with some sort of proposal that will be sort of acceptable to the EU? So we at least have a transition period?
A new referendum and/or a new GE takes time to organise. I more and more feel they are living in lala land where whatever they decide to do is done according to their own time table. Except its not going to happen.

Other EU countries are getting ready for a No Deal. They are planning to modify the train station in Paris with the Eurostar.
THEY are getting ready for a No Deal.
Meanwhile we are still messing about, not preparing for anything at all but just trying to keep the Conservative party afloat.
We can’t wait for February, as I’ve read, to actually decide that there is no other option than No Deal. Because we can’t get ready (border, agreements to fly etc etc etc) in a month.

This will be a complete mess.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 16/07/2018 08:01

What fresh hell will today bring?
Well the day is young and Trump is due to meet his paymaster Putin so enjoy the sunshine as long as you can.

HesterThrale · 16/07/2018 08:02

And surely it's a nonsense to suggest having the Chequers proposal as one of the vote options - the EU are going to reject it anyway.

RedToothBrush · 16/07/2018 08:05

Three things about Justine Greening.

  1. her constituency is heavily remain
  2. her constituency is 'on the list's
  3. there was lots of talk of her being set up as the next Tory candidate for London Mayor
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borntobequiet · 16/07/2018 08:06

More from that Farming Today piece - a fruit farmer in Perthshire was asked if paying more would attract local people to pick. She explained that it had been tried and didn't work - people turned up, but simply went home when they considered they had earned enough for the day.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/07/2018 08:14

It's his resignation speech in the HoC that is being touted as a "bombshell",
which is looking more and more like a public attack on MAy

BigChocFrenzy · 16/07/2018 08:19

That was Bojo.

citroenpresse · 16/07/2018 08:21

Isn't Justine Greening's three way referendum proposal a little ridiculous? The Withdrawal Act is already through...did it not occur to the Brexiteers that it might be a good idea to know what May's plans were before voting for it? Utterly ridiculous and a complete mess but the closer the Brexiteers get to self-destruction, the better.

Tanith · 16/07/2018 08:26

It's his resignation speech in the HoC that is being touted as a "bombshell", which is looking more and more like a public attack on May

And why would we pay to read that? 😴

BigChocFrenzy · 16/07/2018 08:26

No-deal is not illegal.

A country can end a treaty at any time after giving any required notice and paying any penalties - the GFA has none in the actual text, as no signatories at the time considered a future when they might break it.

No-deal would dump the UK's international reputation in the toilet, especially with public opinion in the USA, Australia etc

It would also be an incredibly stupid decision that would crash the UK economy, bring all the other consequences we've discussed for daily life,
all of which would damage the UK for several years at least, maybe for a generation or even permanently.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/07/2018 08:26

Tanith That speech would be broadcast on the HoC for free

DGRossetti · 16/07/2018 08:27

people turned up, but simply went home when they considered they had earned enough for the day.

Something non-local workers can't do.

We're back to indentured.

DGRossetti · 16/07/2018 08:28

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44840954

Bad luck of you're not an aerospace worker.

Or is this infinite cake here ?

BigChocFrenzy · 16/07/2018 08:29

Very difficult, as Greening says, for the HoC to put forward its own ideas, whether demaning a Norway+ deal or a referendum with Remain as an option.

Our constitution doesn't work that way:
a govt proposes legislation and Parliament approves or votes down, but can't produce its own bill or requirement

20nil · 16/07/2018 08:31

I can’t for the life of me understand how a referendum could possibly be seen as a good idea. Haven’t we all been arguing that it is a profoundly stupid way to deal with a complex issue?

Tanith · 16/07/2018 08:32

That speech would be broadcast on the HoC for free

BigChocFrenzy And we know the jist of it anyway. “Premium article bombshell”

RedToothBrush · 16/07/2018 08:32

The issue about a people's vote, which no one has yet addressed, is that no one has put forward an actual question. And the trouble with that, Theresa May as PM, would be the one setting it...

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/07/2018 08:41

RoI ramping up prep for no-deal

This follows the govt building up road & port infrastructure, plus the largest ferries in the world are now in regular service between the RoI and mainland Europe, with more being built

https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/ireland-set-to-remove-oil-reserves-from-britain-as-brexit-deadline-looms-closer-37119507.html

The Cabinet will this week sign off on a dramatic plan to remove all of Ireland's oil reserves from the UK as the Government ramps ups its contingency plans for Brexit.

The move will see tankers filled with Irish oil transferred from British refineries and brought back to Ireland or to other EU member states.

Ireland stores almost 200,000 tonnes of oil in the UK but for national security reasons, this will now be removed ahead of Britain leaving the EU.

"We pay for storage there so that will have serious implications for UK refineries who have stored our oil for almost two decades," a senior Government source said.
Exporting Ireland's oil reserves from Britain is one of the most significant Brexit-related decisions which the Government has taken to date.

TheElementsSong · 16/07/2018 09:00

We're shaking the Magic Money Tree for aerospace now?

It's like the Brexit-appeasers are playing whack-a-mole with the biggest news headlines. In any given week, whatever happens to look like it might alarm the more-aware portions of the population has to be quickly covered with a flimsy sticking-plaster of promised pocket money (which will probably never materialise, if it did materialise it wouldn't be enough to offset the problems in the first place and it would have to come out of the same squeezed shrinking economy meaning something else would be the loser).

BigChocFrenzy · 16/07/2018 09:04

I haven't added up all the money may is promising to all these firms, farmers, public bodeis
as well as building up UK agencies from scratch

Probably a billion a week, even before considering lost trade and economic slowdown

BigChocFrenzy · 16/07/2018 09:05

Makes Corbyn / McDonnel look like a model of financial rectitude

DGRossetti · 16/07/2018 09:07

The issue about a people's vote, which no one has yet addressed, is that no one has put forward an actual question. And the trouble with that, Theresa May as PM, would be the one setting it...

It would be some variant of What sort of Brexit do you want ?

Like the useless YouGov surveys which try and trick you into having an opinion on something but deliberately removing the "couldn't give a shit" option.

Do you think the latest series of Love Island is:

too explicit
just right
could have gone further

(as an example)

Motheroffourdragons · 16/07/2018 09:18

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DGRossetti · 16/07/2018 09:19

"No Deal" should be translated as "No Brexit". Might focus a few minds ...

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