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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:29

Where next?

Auditions for chief turd polisher to Mrs May are in full action, whilst those who don't believe in the turd, wade about knee deep in their own shit, still searching for that illusive plan for Brexit which doesn't stink to high heaven of crap.

After the dual resignation of Davis and Johnson, amongst the stench there is an air of uncertainity and expectation of all hell breaking loose.

In the last 48 hours we have been told that

  1. May is more secure having crushed the brexiteers,
  2. May about to be ousted by a no confidence vote, triggering a leadership election,
  3. The Tory Party are about to split,
  4. Brexiteers are in disarray fighting amongst themselves,
  5. We will remain in the EU,
  6. We get an EEA deal,
  7. We will get no deal,
  8. A People's vote is inevitable and
  9. There will be a General Election.

Which only serves to merely highlight just how little of a clue ANYONE has about what happens next.

What bothers me now, is that Johnson seems not to have surfaced yet and there are rumours that Gove has gone to ground, whilst Donald Trump is practically on the plane and is stirring the pot praising Johnson.

Instead we seem to have a series of junior ministers and Tory HQ figures quitting in a long drawn out coordinated toy throwing out of the pram exercise, to try and get what hard brexiteers want.

If I had to hazard a guess at the general silence from key figures, I might be tempted to say that someone is going to use Trump's visit to throw a political grenade and actively invite him to endorse them.

That might sound ridiculous given that the public hates Trump, but that loses sight of the fact that the people who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party are overwhelming authoritarian leaning and likely to be those who like Trump and would be impressed by such a move.

I note this tweet today from the wise Sarah Kendzior:

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
"There are parallels to past authoritarianism, but what's happening with Trump, in the digital age, is new and transnational. The president's loyalty is not necessarily to a state but to foreign leaders and multinational criminal alliances. The state is just something to sell."

It is clear that others in the parliamentary party will be very alarmed at the prospect. There were Tory MPs who were openly tweeted how please that disgusting Johnson had gone and are no fans of Trump.

May still seems to think that she can get her plan through and approved by the EU in its current form. The White Paper is due on Thursday.

Much speculation is that it will be significant if she fails to produce this on time, as she will have capitulated to the Brexiteers. And this will lead to the EU just giving up on us anyway.

She also announced to the Cabinet today, that preparations for No Deal were to be stepped up significantly.

We still are left wondering who, she is stitching up; the Brexiteers whose heads are currently exploding or the friends she keeps closest to her (friends? or ideological enemies).

The problem is that there just no other viable way forward at the moment, as the country is divided, both Labour and the Conservatives are divided and are more interested in their own future than that of the party and there are far too many ambitious 'celebrity MPs' who want to make their mark. No one gives a shit about ordinary workers or business. Plus there is the divine observation that DGRossetti made at the end of the last thread: The biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers

The grab for post-Brexit power shows the whole of Westminister up as the cess pit of self interest it is, with Boris Johnson merely its biggest figure head.

Wait until the GFA officially has its head put on the chopping block awaiting its fate. Perhaps we can flog NI to Donald and get a Brexit Dividend afterall.

I must admit to finding it hard to have a view that is altogether different to this:
James Patrick @J_amesp
There is no way back from all of this. The next seven days simply decide how badly - on a scale of fucked to smouldering crater - it is going to end.

One final predictation, which I am DAMN certain of: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all going to be grim for political watching if you are into democratic values and principles. It will be a 4 day sales pitch for Brand Trump in all its All American Overblown Horror that Brits tend to find utterly distasteful. Expect the red carpet of full of turd glitter to be rolled out for Donald Trump Show. Expect May to embarass herself in her fawning all over him, as if she's star struck. Expect that hideously cringeworthy photo thats totally inevitable.

Politics is going to get worse. It may never get better.

(But yay football gets to cover it all up... Come on England!)

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RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 09:53

Dr Liam Fox MP @LiamFox
Terrific to hear @POTUS @realDonaldTrump talk so positively about UK & US Trade tonight at Blenheim Palace #BlenheimPalace #SpecialRelationship

Dr Fox "I agree with my leader. The President."

But also from a Tory:

Sam Gyimah MP @SamGyimah
Where are your manners, Mr President?

and then the government suck up

Jessica Elgot @jessicaelgot
It’s Alan Duncan who is the minister who bravely goes out to bat this morning, optimistically insisting Trump’s comments on trade are only because he hadn’t read the white paper yet
“He is in many ways a controversialist, this is the colour he brings to the world stage... I don’t think it’s rude at all.” Absolutely top, top stuff from Alan Duncan here

This is the reality:
twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1017669969801367552

3 more days until he goes.

I'm counting it down.

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nuttynutjob · 13/07/2018 09:56

Meanwhile,

Applications to nursing degrees continue steep decline

"The number of people in England applying to begin nursing degrees fell from 51,840 in 2016 to 35,260 in 2018, according to Universities and Colleges Admissions Service (UCAS) – a decline of almost 32%. This year there were almost 5,000 fewer applications than last year, when 40,060 were received."

RCN general secretary Janet Davies said: 'Failing to recruit more nurses puts patients at risk, we cannot sit back and watch applications fall year on year.

'It is clear now removing the bursary has been a disaster. It is time ministers looked again at this policy, before patients suffer the consequences.

'We urgently need financial incentives to attract more students, and nursing students must be encouraged and supported.

'Our health and social care system is crying out for more nurses, and recruitment should be the number-one priority for the new health secretary.'

This means - exacerbation of the dwindling nursing workforce and a drive to recruit non UK nurses ( India, South Africa, Nigeria, Zimbabwe and Philippines)

Although this results in a lot of angry and pissed off Brits
Patient satisfaction and non-UK educated nurses
---------
News are focused on the NHS and Brexshit that people are failing to see the looming crisis in care homes

www.ft.com/content/330fde3c-e187-11e7-a8a4-0a1e63a52f9c

DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 09:56

How are Leavers taking Trumps (unprecedented) intervention ? When is Theresa Mays visit to the US, where she will lecture them on their own internal affairs scheduled ?

Quietrebel · 13/07/2018 10:04

Way to regain sovereignty! Being told what to do by the US and scolded like a naughty child!

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 10:04

No one will know who May is, in the US. No one will even notice she is visiting.

We'd have to send Prince Charles instead and excuse him from doing politics.

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SusanWalker · 13/07/2018 10:10

Let's take back control and do whatever trump tells us to do. Score.

Motheroffourdragons · 13/07/2018 10:12

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DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 10:13

Any chance this was woken the Remainers in parliament ?

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 10:17

Any chance this was woken the Remainers in parliament

I've got to the point of finding it hard to not think of them as dead from the neck up and will never wake up ever again.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 13/07/2018 10:18

Sovereignty was such a big issue until the Brexiteers were happy to allow a foreign President to control the UK. Brexit, died of its own contradictions indeed.

DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 10:21

Well now Corbyn has something to oppose, surely ? I can't see his style of leadership stretching tongues for an easier fit up the back passage of POTUS (unlike one T. Blair).

woman11017 · 13/07/2018 10:21

to discussion about whether to ban free expression
Sadly, this 'visit', is the start in earnest. (lucky those of us interested in the feminist threads are ahead of Sam on that one. Wink)

How are leavers perceiving this visit?
Drooling in a brexist nirvana, imagine.

Wondering about remainers in parliament is really sweet, supremacy of the legislature was the olden days. Memories..................

Yes red most of his base won't know who she is. His intinerary here and the pictures being sent back to US, is the sort of tour of the UK you would send a dotty, aged US relative with slight mobility problems on. Fash Saga tours could become a 'thing'.

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DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 10:40

Well, Trump certainly is a disrupter.

He's holed Theresa May squarely below the waterline.

He has also made the position of leader of the Tory party a very murky affair. Stating with the fact he has a preferred candidate (is Trump actually telling Tories to put Boris up ?). If May were to go, and Johnson not replace her, the incumbent becomes a "second choice" leader.

(I'm imagining JRM becoming leader, and popping to the US to questions of How does it feel to be meeting POTUS when POTUS said he would have liked Boris as PM ?)

He's also given some leavers a chance to say "whatever I voted for, it wasn't this"

It's also signalled to the EU that they will need to isolate the UK in any future relationship (luckily the UK is doing the heavy lifting there).

It's also signalled to the world what the US means for them. Looks like the Norks called POTUS correctly. Not so sure about Boris, maybe the UK would be better off with Kim Jong Un ?

Was the Queen present at this speech ? I can't see the place being happy. Who arranged it, again ?

20nil · 13/07/2018 10:44

Another piece of brilliant political strategy TM. Inviting Trump was right up there.

DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 10:45

Sigh, you have to admire the French ... here's a little tale of how they are dealing with government-enforced smart meters. And (as you might imagine) it's a little bit more direct that writing a stiff letter to the Times.

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/13/no_seriously_why_are_you_holding_your_phone_like_that/

BrexitWife · 13/07/2018 10:46

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Rees Mogg: The bill allows us to roll over existing EU trade deals and is an essential part of no deal planning.

Can I just laugh? On which planet is he??? There is no bill ever that will allow to ‘roll over’ 700+ treaties bar staying in the EEA.

Lies and more lies.

DGRossetti · 13/07/2018 10:48

Another piece of brilliant political strategy TM.

To be fair, after the election last year, and the way things have gone of late, no one could blame her for thinking "nothing more can possibly go wrong, surely ?"

BrexitWife · 13/07/2018 10:51

From that article DG
Unlike acquiescent Brits, whose upper lips might be stiff but very little else is, the French won't be told what to do.

Actually that could be applied to other areas too. Such as Brexit (or fracking, breech if human rights etc etc)

BrexitWife · 13/07/2018 10:53

The title says it all
Theresa May bows to EU by keeping UK in human rights convention after Brexit, enraging Tory right

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-brexit-white-paper-eu-european-convention-on-human-rights-tory-mps-a8444386.html

Since when protecting human right can be seen as a BAD thing.
Despair again....

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 11:02

O'Mara has merely quit the Labour Party. Not as MP. He won't whilst he's getting his pay cheque for doing sweet FA will he?

I wonder if there was talk of a deselection locally...

Labour had no chance of winning the seat again at the next election with him as the candidate. They might now.

I don't think Labour will be shedding any tears.

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20nil · 13/07/2018 11:03

Actually DG I think this will get worse and worse for her, especially as her own party increasingly votes and briefs against her. It’s an absolute nightmare for her and I have absolutely no sympathy.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/07/2018 11:05

Both far left and far right regimes use nationalism and xenophobia to cling to power.

They stir up the emotions of their captive population,
to distract attention from the disastrous mess that dictatorships usually make of the economy & living standards.

Some regimes solve the problem by invading other countries for their wealth or natural resources, e.g. as Hitler did

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2018 11:05

Brexitwife, thats a headline in a supposedly left wing / liberal newspaper too.

Thats troubling.

But there is a desire by many to get us out of the EHCR by any means necessary.

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