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Westministenders: High Drama at The Ok Coral

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RedToothBrush · 05/07/2018 22:38

3:00 p.m. Wednesday, October 26, 1881, Tombstone, Arizona.

After months of death threats from the Cowboy Billys, their long simmering feud with the law thing came to a head. The Earp Brothers and Doc Holliday faced the criminals down in a shootout.

Tomorrow's 'sleepover' is starting to feel like the Gunfight at the OK Coral.

The outcome of the real story was three of the outlaws were killed. Another two claimed they were unarmed and ran from the fight. Virgil, Morgan, and Doc Holliday were wounded, but Wyatt Earp was unharmed.

How many Brexiteers can we expect to roll over and resign from the Cabinet and how many will surrender to May and the Pro-Business lobby? ONly time will tell.

Please place your bets for the number of resignations and the number of 'I support the PM' comments.

But don't get too excited. The showdown wasn't the end of the matter.

One of the outlaws who legged it, filed murder charges against the Earps and Doc Holliday. It took them some time for them to be acquitted.

Then Virgil Earp was ambushed and disabled in the arm later that year in December and Morgan Earp was assassinated in March 1882. Wyatt Earp, then thinking he had no other option, went on a personal vendetta to kill the outlaws and then fled the state.

Given the Tory Cabinet and the perchant for stabbing each other in the back and settling personal scores, a repeat of a wild west gun fight, really doesn't sound too wildly off the cards now does it?

Buckle up. Its time to play at Chequers.

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Peregrina · 09/07/2018 19:00

I hardly think that Farage, Johnson, Davis, Fox, Redwood and all the other hard Brexiters are anything other than an entitled moneyed elite. Who will do a Cameron and run for the hills as soon as it goes tits up.

But heyduggies is right - if they had bothered to produce some constructive plans for Brexit, we might be in a better place now. The trouble is, two years on, they haven't got a clue. May has finally forced a show down, which they apparently agreed to on Friday, and now they have changed their minds. But we haven't seen constructive plans for the NI/RoI border, we haven't seen them give cast iron assurances to business - we have seen more hot air and in the case of Grease Smug and Deadwood Redwood, plans to move their money to other EU states. How's that for a ringing endorsement of Brexit?

mozzybites · 09/07/2018 19:01

I've yet to meet someone outside of the UK who doesn't think we are crazy for doing this so not going along with minority world view. The further away you get the odder the whole thing looks.

Heyduggeesflipflop · 09/07/2018 19:02

Olennas

I like this thread just fine but thanks for asking

It’s nice to have a chance to educate a minority of voters engaged in protest politics

BigChocFrenzy · 09/07/2018 19:02

The Leavers threads are strong on crowing "we won" and demanding cake
but totally lacking in any technical knowledge about how to leave, about international trade rules, the economy …

On Westministenders, we demand facts and reality, even if we don't like the consequences

A few Leavers genuinely come to debate the facts
not to declare Remainers are mc or left-wing.
The debate enriches our threads
Claims of being anti-elite - while supporting the party of the rich - are not plausible, merely the current Tory soundbites

As it happens, I am not of the left at all. Neither are several others here.
I am disgusted that the Tory party I knew in the late 1960s-1980s has sunk to this total shambles, shamelessly putting party unity before country

I am disgusted that the Party of Business is now the party whose Foreign Secretary said "F@@k business"

RedToothBrush · 09/07/2018 19:03

Gareth Davies @Gareth_Davies09
THREAD: While the PM was being told of another ministerial resignation today, Somerset County Council’s cabinet was meeting to discuss a report that should ring alarm bells across @mhclg and the rest of government

The top line from the report is this: a children’s services funding crisis could lead Somerset to become the next council to issue a section 114 notice (as close as a local authority can go to bankruptcy) like Northamptonshire CC did earlier this year

Here it is in black and white: “there is a risk the Council may have to take urgent decisions to rectify the financial position. An option that is available to the Council … is the issuing of a section 114 notice which imposes severe spending restrictions on the authority"

This is not a warning made lightly or a risk outlined in every report. It’s a reflection of the severity of a situation at least five years in the making and, a very real prospect facing Somerset and a growing number of local authorities in England

Background: Towards the end of 2017/18, Somerset’s children’s services faced a £14.6m deficit - the highest in the country (by year end it was reduced to £10m). 17/18 was the 4th straight year the council breached its budget in this area

The problem? A massive shortage of internal and external fostering placements, and capacity to provide early interventions. The council currently has 60 vacant social worker posts, some of which are covered by agency staff at an additional cost of £25k per worker

The % of permanent staff currently stands at 64% (the target is 75%). A review of caseloads has found the council in breach of its own policy. It wants to bring children placed in other LAs back to Somerset but lack of foster carers and social workers has hampered this effort

This means an over-reliance on the private sector. It costs Somerset an average of £4,208 a week to house a child in a private care home. Due to foster shortage, the council ended up paying for 2,200 more days accommodation in the second quarter of 2017/18, 14% more than expected

In total vulnerable children in Somerset spent nearly 2,000 more days in private children’s homes in 2017/18 than in 2016/17 (19,418 compared with 17,484). The average cost has increased by 18%. Also, the number of children helped by the council increased by 30% since April 2017

When @BureauLocal raised concerns about Somerset's financial position in March, it downplayed our findings and said it had set a “balanced budget”. But little more than 3 months into the new financial year, it is predicting a £14.3m children's services deficit (£12.1m overall)

Forecast costs are even higher than last year. This means the council has already had to approve the use of £5m of the £7.3m "contingency" funds set aside to see the department through the year.

^Going forward a complete “reset” of the budget is required, it says
In the meantime the council’s latest cost-cutting measures include closing two-thirds of its children’s centres^
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-43030833

^Today's report says more additional spending cuts, on top of those already announced, will be required to balance this year's budget
The report also says the use of the council’s reserves has been “critical in being able to manage spikes in demand and costs”. But @BureauLocal’s research shows this is not sustainable, even in the short-term.^

In the last 5 years Somerset's usable reserves have fallen by 60%. The 2018/19 figures published this month show reserve levels are due to fall a further 11%. Based on its use of reserves since 2013/14, the council will run out of money by 2020

Since the crisis in Northants earlier this year, everyone in the sector has been keen to stress their council will not be "the next Northamptonshire". But all indicators, and now the council's own warning systems, point to the prospect of Somerset facing financial meltdown too

A closer inspection of the government's own data shows 24 councils could be in the same situation within three years. A new funding system is in the pipeline, but for councils like Somerset - and the people who rely on their services - it could well be too late

A few points to this other than the fact its totally buried today.

  1. What happen in Leadsom's next of the woods recently in a local by-election?
  2. I've half considered fostering in the past. The biggest obstacle for us, would be not having a house big enough to do it. Question: Why is there a shortage of foster places?
  3. Constituencies that cover the Somerset area: Bridgwater and West Somerset, Somerton and Frome, Taunton Deane, Wells, Yeovil, North East Somerset, North Somerset. (the last two have some interesting MPs).
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mozzybites · 09/07/2018 19:04

Excellent, a coherent plan for Brexit which preserves the GFA and doesn't trash the economy. Educate away, I'm all ears, I have been for the last two years.

Heyduggeesflipflop · 09/07/2018 19:06

Red toothbrush

Thanks for the long and tedious post on an unrelated topic

RedToothBrush · 09/07/2018 19:08

Question: Is Boris Johnson's next move to refuse to leave his former official residence and to instead squat there, and challenge May to forcably evict him?

Why hasn't he cleared out yet? What's he doing? Refurbishing? Smashing the place up?

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borntobequiet · 09/07/2018 19:08

You can get unicorn Froot Loops you know. And that’s the correct spelling.

54321go · 09/07/2018 19:09

I realise that laws are rather tedious to Heydugg but most people are quite glad of them. It prevents companies from using pesticides that leave poisonous residue on your fruit and veg. It means that when the skinheads from up the rad to Heyduggs house come and burn it down they go to prison.
I would bet 1 Euro that Heydugg didn't read the article by Lawyersforbritain mentioned a couple of days ago. They were taking a Brexit stance but acknowledging that a 'soft' brexit is nigh on impossible. That was written by those WANTING to leave.
@ woman. I had fain a few days back but not really enough although my well and stream are fine for watering the garden.

RedToothBrush · 09/07/2018 19:09

Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick
Robert Buckland, Solicyor-General & Remainer: “The question of a leadership challenge is out of the window and has been put to bed. If you’d told me two hours ago that this is how we’d end the day I’d have bitten your hand off.... This is a new era, a new chapter.”

Again, do we take literally or think 'She's doomed'.

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Heyduggeesflipflop · 09/07/2018 19:10

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RedToothBrush · 09/07/2018 19:10

iain watson @iainjwatson
I am told 1922 committee chairman Graham Brady made it clear that the 48 signatures that would start a leadership contest hadn’t been received

Yet? Or has she just seen off her two biggest pain in the arses?

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/07/2018 19:13

The only reason the Tory Party is tearing itself apart is because their red lines automatically mean a hard Brexit,
which their own impact studies show would bring an economic catastrophe that would keep them out of office for a generation.

They have always been about winning power and staying in power
Brexit is toxic to that

That's why Corbyn is sitting so smugly and doing nothing
He thinks he just has to wait and an angry, desperate population will give him carte blanche to bring in the socialist policies of his dreams

RedToothBrush · 09/07/2018 19:14

Dinner parties? Who has dinner parties?

How posh do you have to be to have a 'dinner party'?

We have people round or go out for a meal. We don't do 'dinner parties'.

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SusanWalker · 09/07/2018 19:14

Perhaps Boris is making use of the shredder before he leaves?

OlennasWimple · 09/07/2018 19:15

BoJo's resignation letter. Well written, I thought, even if the timing of it was taken away from him

OlennasWimple · 09/07/2018 19:15

It's all about the kitchen supper these days, I thought? Wink

SusanWalker · 09/07/2018 19:16

i had a kebab takeaway at my sister's last week. Does that count as a dinner party?

They are leavers and think it's a shit show.

Heyduggeesflipflop · 09/07/2018 19:16

Red toothbrush

Dinner parties? Well not leavers that’s for sure - we are too busy knuckle dragging and voting in unsporting directions

MyNameDefinatelyIsntJanet · 09/07/2018 19:18

heydoug I’m in favour of the referendum and on behalf of all of us, shut the fuck up. You’re tarring us all with the same brush and making yourself and by default the rest of us look and sound like complete idiots. You are not representative of Brexit voters and by virtue of your pure unadulterated stupidity, you’re doing yourself and the rest of us no favours at all.

Today is the day I weep for what this has become you complete and utter fool.

ShackUp · 09/07/2018 19:19

Agree with bigchoc.

I was furious with JC for 'allowing' this, but I'm starting to see that he just wants to avoid getting his card marked. People in Westminster know that the only possible outcome is a 'crash and burn' Brexit so they're letting it play out.

Heyduggeesflipflop · 09/07/2018 19:20

Thanks Janet - and may I say, I love you too

ShackUp · 09/07/2018 19:20

Question to Brexiters on this thread: didn't you see any of this coming? I mean, really?