Westminstenders: Rebel or Reveal

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The EU Withdrawal Bill made it through the Commons. Though May did not manage it unscathed.

In an attempt to divide and conquer the Rebels, May might have damaged trust. We shall find out. The Grieve Amendment faces the Lords. We also will see if the Lords will back down on their amendments or apply some new ones for the Commons to deal with in Parliamentary Ping Pong.

Aaron Banks has been exposed as being pally with the Russian Embassy in a plot twist that absolutely everyone saw coming.

Meanwhile the EU thinks we have already run out of time and is preparing options to extend talks beyond the a50 deadline. These include having MEPs for the 2019 - 2024 session.

There is also growing talk around Europe that freedom of movement in its current form is unsustainable. Ironically we might see the EU adopt something akin to Cameron's pre-referendum proposals as the EU reforms.

Theresa May has also announced - at a moment when she is looking particularly weak - a new tax for the NHS, cunningly disguised in spin as 'the Brexit dividend'. Of course shareholders don't always get dividends and at times of poor economic performance instead might be asked to stump up extra capital...Expect to see buses with £350 million of the side just in time for the next general election cycle.

And so the Zombie PM limbers on towards the end of the summer session and the relative safety of the summer holidays. More drama, cringing and disbelief guaranteed before we get there.

Serious question - how is cutting taxes patriotic?

Apparently I need to ask it twice.

To be honest, I'd vote for literally anyone who can steer us through Brexit with one hand, and crush Corbyn with the other. No other qualifications are required.

Unless it has changed more recently JLR is owned by TATA, India. TATA also own quite a lot of other brands although can't think of them at the minute. Tetleys is one.
Running through the list of major manufacturers in the UK and seeing their parent or holding companies may be quite a disheartening experience for 'flag wavers' when they realise which ones may decide to disappear over some water.

I have a problem with people suggesting there are hundreds of millions of fascists all over Europe so that makes fascism OK.

Then there's your mistake - not wanting your borders overrun isn't fascism, it's common sense, and is rapidly becoming the political mainstream of Europe - if it hasn't already happened.

And wrt the 'hundreds of millions' of fascists - they are mostly heavily tattooed, angry, chanting unicorns.

So maybe the problem I have is with people who fondly imagine that hundreds of millions of fascists would be a good thing. People who are so keen on simple answers to complex questions that even the mirage of rampant fascism cheers them up.

Here we go again - 'overrun', 'rapidly becoming the political mainstream' - the language of a fascist charlatan.

(There is no other type - sorry for the redundancy).

Here we go again - 'overrun', 'rapidly becoming the political mainstream' - the language of a fascist charlatan.

Look at the polls, look at the shifts in actual government policy, look at the election results across Europe. You don't have to take my word for it - the next few years will clearly demonstrate whether or not Europe embraces external migration or shuts the door. Hear me now, quote me later - it will be the latter.

@Tambien
You can remain in the UK and trade or you can move to a EU country and trade. The difference will be a pile of paperwork will need completing going from one to the other (across the border). As a 'sole trader' you will have a load of homework to do just to get back to the life you have now unfortunately.
Like the 'Peoples front of Judea' Vs 'Judean peoples front' groups of fascists won't necessarily agree among themselves with the 'cause' they are fighting for. They are ANGRY but is it on a common cause?

There will be a realisation that Europe needs to shut the door but open the catflap. The sooner the better.

So about those turnips. Do fascists like turnips? Cos we are gonna find out soon.

math you made me think of this

JC now has a self inflicted dilemma. Does he call out the PM for lying about the brexit dividend, thereby admitting that his own policy on brexit will make the country poorer? Or does he ignore it, thereby proving that he is not actually doing the job of the opposition?

So about those turnips. Do fascists like turnips? Cos we are gonna find out soon.

That's actually quite funny - chapeau!
(Except of course we won't, because the only thing the Tories hate more than the EU is losing power and losing money. And eating turnips).

Oh Theresa has never looked so good! Which facecream is she using?
Turnips? What did I miss. DGR usually has the more cryptic comments.
Must go to an eyewear shop.

heyduggie is correct - we 'own' the f35's, in that we paid loafs of wonga, but we dont have access to designs or, critically, the software apart from the few bits of electronics that we sourced.
whilst its unlikely that there will be a kill switch, its not really necessary given the US ability to turn off gps - and no the f35's wont be able to use the eu platform.
Equally with the missiles - those are US sourced and maintained - warheads could be considered to be ours, with caveats, but we haven't had an independent deterrent since the we199 free fall bombs and to suggest we have is either ignorance or dissimulation.

if we were ever in the position of trying to prevent US action or to act against US allies, using these assets we'd quickly lose support and whilst the contract includes spares we can't afford to fill hangars with a decades worth of components.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/17/defence-schools-police-set-miss-big-spending-increases-theresa/

So here we go, Defence, schools and the Police will struggle so we can fund the NHS instead.
Not sure where the UK is going to find money for their own self made Gallileo project if the budget of Defence is suffering even more
As for schools and the Police...
What did the Police say recently? That the increase in crimes, robbery etc... is a direct consequence of the reduction of the Police forces. I suppose we will have to get used to live in a more dangerous place then...

whilst its unlikely that there will be a kill switch.
If you can't use a F35 for killing people what's the point?
You can't use one to make toast or anything useful.
I suppose you could make toast if you have a rack a few hundred metres long and a thousand loaves of bread at once.

I suppose we will have to get used to live in a more dangerous place then.
The Trump solution, guns all round guys for 'self protection' and to keep those bears at bay.

54321go thé problem with ‘getting read for more paperwork’ is that you need to have an idea of what sort of paperwork will be needed. You can’t do much preparation wo that.
Ass it is, we dint even know if we will need more paperwork and when (see the eu getting ready for the uk to stay longer than planned...)

54321 - i meant it was unlikely that the software would include something that could be invoked by the US to drop the F35 out of the sky. (we'll never know though)

For me the sad thing is that Theresa May was in some ways right about her 'dementia tax'. We do need a serious debate about health and social care, what we can afford and how we afford it. Where she was completely wrong was throwing into an election campaign, in what seemed like an afterthought. It needs a proper cross party examination on the issue.

Your language is execrable. You may not know where your imagery comes from (charitable assumption) but I do. In particular, 'overrun' has a long and inglorious history, as does the focus on borders.

I do not expect to see any major change in the EU from the focus on the practical humanitarian element of the refugee issue. Accompanying the continued efforts to provide necessary aid and integration as far as possible, I foresee attempts to concentrate on creating better conditions in regions of origin of the refugees, whether political or economic.

Of course there there will also be offensive noises offstage because human nature has its darker (angry, tattooed) side.

Does anybody watch countryfile? What was the James Dyson segment? According to the Express viewers were in uproar over it because he is pro brexit... Now I haven't read the article because I do not click onto the Express ... but that sounds dangerously close to me like they are admitting that ordinary people watching the bbc don't like billionaire brexiteers. But those ordinary people - they are part of the the will of the people... so if they get into uproar about a brexiteer on countryfile, it's almost like the people don't like brexit.

(I always feel like the will of the people should come with a trademark. It always seems a bit incomplete without a TM after it.)

@Tambien. You can't really prepare as they won't have thought about the paperwork yet so come the day you can only hope it is simple enough.

'getting ready for more paperwork'
I'm aware of an organisation that today uses a bunch of excel spreadsheets to manage specific aspects of the eu supply chain. They are urgently deploying SAP in the hope of having something that will handle the volumes and that they hope to be able to configure for whatever the deal looks like - they may get it deployed in time, the germans(sap) may get updates out to handle any anomalous parts of the brexit trade deal - but they wont see much change out of £5 million - that has to come out of margin somehow.