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The Brexit thread.

By Brexiters, for Brexiters.

Remainers welcome, but gobshites & goadyfuckers are encouraged to take their business elsewhere.

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I would be pretty miffed if I had voted leave, the Government is doing a fantastic job of pleasing nobody atm. Unless of course you only listen to what the Government is saying and don't bother to look too closely at what they are actually doing.

Right off to look at lovely rescue dogs on dogsblog , have got my fix of all things equine

I don’t read anything printed in the guardian - I think they have what’s called an agenda.
( isn’t their reputation even worse than the daily mail these days? )

Anyway.......1 year to go Brexiteers 🍾🇬🇧

Anyone ?

A year to go until what surfer?

Until we move into a 2 year limbo period where the only thing that has changed is we’ve lost our seat at the table?

That’s really ‘taking back control’ isn’t it?

You might not like the Guardian but you’d struggle to argue against the contents of that article.

It shows just how your expectations are being managed downwards day by day.

A year from now who knows what you’ll be expecting.

No , it may have a left wing bias Surfer , but reading a variety of news sources with a known bias is helpful when forming opinion, wouldn't you say ? Or do you prefer confirmation bias ?

Look at that sad face

Maybe if mummmy read that Guardian article she might realise you can’t trust a word politicians say, particularly DD who she has on some kind of pedestal.

I think this comment from TM on Tuesday about customs technology rather sums up what an epic clusterfuck this all is

"I think it is fair to say that, as we get into the detail and as we look at these arrangements, then what becomes clear is that sometimes the timetables that have originally been set are not the timetables that are necessary when you actually start to look at the detail and when you delve into what it really is that you want to be able to achieve

Ie, we hadn’t really thought about it before but now we’ve looked at it we’ve no idea how to resolve it.

But if you can’t trust a word politicians say, why do you believe everything Remain politicians say? why do you believe the guardian?
You believe everything you want to believe.
A bit like leavers really.

I don’t necessarily believe Remain politicians; I believe the facts surfer

That Guardian piece is all quotes, many of which I heard being said at the time, along with the actual situation now; there’s nothing to disbelieve.

Have a read, it really does illustrate how much you’re all being played.

An article in the guardian, by a Swiss journalist?, about how bad referendums are.
< yawn >

I am with Bear , I like facts a lot, I use these to form my opinions.

For instance I like all dogs , I prefer smooth coated dogs , the reason for this is , it is a lot easier to wipe fox poo from a smooth coated dog than a fluffy dog, that is a fact, I defy you to argue with Surfer

Oh and the journalists aren't Swiss , a Swiss person commented on the article Surfer

Oh look, The Express is celebrating...

...with a picture of a cliff edge.

@BrandySchnapps / @FaithHopeCharityDesperation

Your behaviour & attitude towards that poster was abhorrent.

I disagree it was just a diversion tactic spurred by your preceding unsuccessful attempts to argue a couple of points.

Thanks for coming clean on your double accounting though.

"I don’t read anything printed in the guardian - I think they have what’s called an agenda."

The level of indoctrination is unbelievable. Either that or @surferjet is a MN putinbot on duty, since he did mention he has a job here.

Guardian is basically left-centrist, but importantly they do publish a wide range of views including pro-Brexit. They published Boris repeatedly which speaks volumes of their commitment to pluralism.

The Heil and the Torygraph are just unashamedly biased propaganda tubes, although I do stop by there too from time to time.

"But if you can’t trust a word politicians say"

Having a healthy dose of scepticism towards all politicians is probably the optimal policy. That said, some are clearly worse then others, and in particular if we see them blatantly lie either directly or through a bus message, we she just be giving them no cedence going forward.

@AgnesSkinner Disgustingly idiotic brainwashing, they weren't even bothered with the irony, just assumed the target audience won't spot it.

Great article @frumpety. Hopefully it gets at least the top 10% of Leave readers thinking.

BTW there are lots of Leavers on Guardian forums, some are certified putinbots sadly.

So, I've read the Guardian Article! In the main the whole point of it is that because we are now having a transition period many of the hopes of the Brexit team have had to change. The main point it is trying to make is that we will still have to abide by EU rules during transition and pay into the EU during that time. So what!
Other assertions in the article are ones to do with things that are yet to be agreed and would never have been agreed yet so bit of a non story I'm afraid. Certainly doesn't upset me in the slightest.

@Doubletrouble99 First and foremost the article exposes dozens of false statements committed by Leave politicians. That is very worrying to disgusting and should be eye opening to any Leave supporter who hasn't been surgically blinkered.

In the main the whole point of it is that because we are now having a transition period many of the hopes of the Brexit team have had to change

PMSL.

As that article highlights, we categorically said we didn't need a transition period yet ended up begging for one.

You really dont see it do you?

Most of what was stated as red lines has already vanished and there's still a year to go.

Did you read TM's quote about realising they can't achieve what they thought they could in the timescale set, now they've actually bothered to look at what needs to be done?

It's an embarassment.

Are you still pinning your hopes on a technical border solution being in place when we leave?

Leavers should be absolutely refusing, instead you're all just passively accepting each little cut back, one day at a time.

An article like that in the Guardian just shows how much each of those cut backs amounts to when consolidated.

What is the bloody point of it all otherwise?

^^furious not refusing

I know some people on here come over all faint at the thought of reading anything from the Guardian, but this is an interesting insight into the parallels between the UK's application to join the (then) Common Market in the late 1960s/early 1970s and the situation today when we're trying to leave the EU.

Interesting in the context of "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

We seem to be negotiating with the same blind attitude to the fact that the EU is a rules-based organisation which bases its position in its own acquis.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/29/brexit-end-of-uk-membership-of-eu-parallels-its-beginning