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Westministenders: One for the Women

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RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 10:23

Just remember that women are more likely to be worried about Brexit.

Their women's and workers rights are more at risk from departure from the EU, the ECJ and potentially the EHCR.
They are more likely to be worried as EU citizens in the UK due to taking time to have and raise families.
They are more likely to have been badly affected by austerity and an economic downturn will hit them first.
If they are leavers they are more likely to have changed their minds.
They are less likely to be MPs so have less representation.
They are more likely to be feeling politically unrepresented by any party and unsure of who they will vote for at the next election.
They are more likely to get abuse for expressing a political opinion. Many report having been subjected to sexual harassment from political colleagues.
They are more likely to be the target of abuse on social media.
They are earn less than their political colleagues, they earn less than their media colleagues, they earn less than their business colleagues. They are less likely to be in powerful lobby groups.

Then there's #metoo

And to cap it off women's groups are finding it hard to get their voice heard, and are frequently being labelled as hysterical or bigoted for merely wanting to discuss things and be reassured that their fears are acknowledged. They are frequently dismissed as liars or over sensitive.

This is 2018.

It doesn't feel progressive. It doesn't look equal.

Brexit has more of an impact on women.

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2018 11:09

The RoI is mostly thinking of Irish voters

  • who voted 92% in a referendum to make constitutional changes for the GFA

No Irish govt could survive , if it tells its people that the Brits are tearing up the GFA and keeping the bits it wants

  • and that the RoI is jus going to roll over like a good little colony.
DGRossetti · 09/03/2018 11:09

Yes, although you could arguably say that about England too.

But England isn't now crying about losing it's devolved powers, and trying to engage remainers into a fight to keep them.

Maybe Wales will be the first to publicly get cold feet on Brexit ?

MichaelBendfaster · 09/03/2018 11:10

Maybe Wales will be the first to publicly get cold feet on Brexit ?

Interesting thought!

DGRossetti · 09/03/2018 11:15

The Queen has no power or does she?

In theory yes, in practice it's exercised by taking advice (that's what the Privy council is for).

She could prorogue (if I have remembered that word correctly) parliament, and she can appoint a "Prime Minister". By convention she dissolves parliament at the request of a PM, and appoints the leader of the largest party PM.

In theory she could refuse to sign an act of parliament. At which point we need constitutional experts to advise on what would happen. It's generally held a law isn't a law without.

One thing that people would do well to remember is that she is Queen of two different crowns - England and Scotland. (Not sure if NI is still a Kingdom ?)

MichaelBendfaster · 09/03/2018 11:23

One thing that people would do well to remember is that she is Queen of two different crowns - England and Scotland. (Not sure if NI is still a Kingdom ?)

Technically she is queen of the United Kingdom (it being a collection of countries) of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. She's not the Queen of Scotland per se, but as she's Queen of the UK and Scotland is a part of the UK, I guess she is de facto queen of/in Scotland. And therefore presumably of Northern Ireland, by the same token.

DGRossetti · 09/03/2018 11:25

When IndyRef was discussed, I'm sure that it was mooted that an independent Scotland would have the Queen as their Head of State (i.e Queen of Scotland as well as Queen of the United Kingdom).

It's fascinating we are talking about monarchs in the 21st century ....

DGRossetti · 09/03/2018 11:29

Anyway, fuck the Scots.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-43343716

The UK government has named 24 devolved areas where it wants to temporarily retain power following Brexit.
Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland might have expected a number of subjects to come under their control when the UK leaves the EU.
However, ministers are bidding to oversee things like food labelling and animal welfare.
The Scottish government has accused the UK government of a power grab and introduced its own legislation.

(contd).

For some reason the line you never can get rid of the Dane springs to mind.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/03/2018 12:15

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RedToothBrush · 09/03/2018 12:26

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An amendment has been tabled in the House of Lords requiring the UK Government to press for continued EU citizenship for UK citizens.

Tabled by Plaid Cymru's Lord Wigley.

It would need to be supported by Labour / LDs to get passed. But they do have a majority in the Lords.

publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2017-2019/0079/18079-VI.pdf

There's nearly 300 amendments to plough through here. A large number seem to relate to NI, Scotland and Wales.

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DGRossetti · 09/03/2018 12:27

Sounds a bit vague to me ...

RedToothBrush · 09/03/2018 12:40

Cabinet Office @cabinetofficeuk
This morning, analysis confirms that the devolved administrations will be receiving extensive new powers as we depart the EU

David Lidington @DLidington
This blows sky-high any nonsense about "power grab"

The Lords publish a shit load of amendments yesterday which specifically relate to the devolved administrations and today the cabinet office makes an announcement about giving more powers to the devolved administrations.

Can't see any connection between these two completely unrelated events.

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JWIM · 09/03/2018 13:15

I'd wait until the devolved administrations have commented to see to what extent 'this blows sky-high' concerns about a power grab. I seem to remember that the Govt has played rather fast and loose with their description of interactions with devolved administrations over brexit related matters - long gaps between meetings/no meetings, lack of engagement with leaders of the devolved leaders etc.

DGRossetti · 09/03/2018 13:22

I seem to remember that the Govt has

made it SOP to say one thing, and do another. Something the EU is well aware of and has worked very hard (and well) to ensure doesn't define Brexit talks. As the more swivel-eyed loons are realising. Today appears to be quite a foot-stampy day for some Hmm.

BlueEyeshadow · 09/03/2018 13:57

This is why I think this was a genuinely evil plank of the Leave campaign. Getting people who were already struggling to completely misidentify their interests as somehow being identical with the people who have no interest whatsoever in maintaining a functioning welfare state, or employment rights - indeed, who will benefit from their destruction - was truly appalling.

This from thecatfromjapan - after the ref I was talking to a completely uninformed school mum who'd decided to vote leave on the day because... a friend of hers, brainwashed by the Express had told her it would give her kids a better life. :(

I veer between feeling depressed and spitting with rage at this.

MangoSplit · 09/03/2018 13:58

Marking place

TalkinPeace · 09/03/2018 14:03

Re The Special Relationship with the USA
This is something I only hear about on this side of the pond.
It does not exist in the consciousness of business / politics / general life in the USA.
It might vaguely have been real when Maggie and Ron got on well or during the Tony and Dubya prayer meetings
but it certainly is not real now.
Trump does not give a shit about people who cannot vote for him.
It is as simple as that.

Icantreachthepretzels · 09/03/2018 14:10

This from pages ago - sorry to hark back to it...
The thing is, most of them didn’t vote for that at all

Obviously nobody knowingly voted to be poorer! But that is the upshot of their vote and so that is what they voted for.
Anybody who voted for brexit voted for the worst possible scenario alongside the best possible scenario - because it was a jump off a cliff into the dark and they had no way of knowing (expert advice aside of course!) what would be there at the bottom. Anyone who voted leave - regardless of their reasons has to own the fact that a vote for the unknown is a vote for anything - any possible consequences.

Yes - they did vote to make themselves poorer and to destroy the nhs. Being too ignorant to understand that isn't an excuse. They cast their vote and this is what they got. It's what they voted for.

DGRossetti · 09/03/2018 14:16

Trump does not give a shit about people who cannot vote for him.

Nor, it appears, about people who can ...

Sostenueto · 09/03/2018 14:22

Thank you Michael et al. Wasn't there a bit of a to do about the queen signing something before parliament could start after last General Election? Or something similar? A speech,? ( apologise for lack of clear memory, part of condition).

TalkinPeace · 09/03/2018 14:22

Rosetti
He's an interesting man. My dad knows people bankrupted by him and knows members of his family (to meet for supper socially)
All he actually cares about is himself, but voters are an extension of that ego

The UK is less than a stain on his doormat.

DGRossetti · 09/03/2018 14:22

Yes - they did vote to make themselves poorer and to destroy the nhs. Being too ignorant to understand that isn't an excuse. They cast their vote and this is what they got. It's what they voted for.

And now things are developing, there's a definite groundswell of "poor us" building up. Maybe the odd raindrip for now, but that's how the Nile starts. It's probably quite shy at the moment as (with the Welsh issue upthread) as people are getting their arses handed to them - certainly in forums elsewhere.

Sostenueto · 09/03/2018 14:25

Actually I think its ignorant to persistently call others ignorant. Misinformed sounds much more refined.

Sostenueto · 09/03/2018 14:28

I think there's a definite groundswell of 'poor us' on both sides imo.

thecatfromjapan · 09/03/2018 14:29

I'd add to the 'special relationship' discussion that, Trump aside, the UK blew a hole in the whole 'special relationship' thing by leaving the EU. I think a lot of the political strategy behind the 'special relationship' rested on the UK being an ally and a voice for the US within the EU - acting as a brake to it's forming a very strong bloc globally, pointing things in a US-friendly direction, etc.

I think that became clear under Obama, even before the 'idiosyncracies' of Trump were unleashed.

MichaelBendfaster · 09/03/2018 14:30

Sos, yes, the Queen's Speech. It formally opens Parliament. The 2017 one was delayed by Theresa May pissing about and prevaricating.

Re: 'ignorant', I can't speak for others but I, on this kind of thread, would use the term in quite a literal sense – if you say someone is ignorant of the facts it doesn't mean they're stupid, it just means they don't know the facts.

I suppose it does have a connotation of wilful non-knowing, though. But I find that quite a fair description of a lot of Leavers' attitudes and stances.