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Westministenders: One for the Women

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RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 10:23

Just remember that women are more likely to be worried about Brexit.

Their women's and workers rights are more at risk from departure from the EU, the ECJ and potentially the EHCR.
They are more likely to be worried as EU citizens in the UK due to taking time to have and raise families.
They are more likely to have been badly affected by austerity and an economic downturn will hit them first.
If they are leavers they are more likely to have changed their minds.
They are less likely to be MPs so have less representation.
They are more likely to be feeling politically unrepresented by any party and unsure of who they will vote for at the next election.
They are more likely to get abuse for expressing a political opinion. Many report having been subjected to sexual harassment from political colleagues.
They are more likely to be the target of abuse on social media.
They are earn less than their political colleagues, they earn less than their media colleagues, they earn less than their business colleagues. They are less likely to be in powerful lobby groups.

Then there's #metoo

And to cap it off women's groups are finding it hard to get their voice heard, and are frequently being labelled as hysterical or bigoted for merely wanting to discuss things and be reassured that their fears are acknowledged. They are frequently dismissed as liars or over sensitive.

This is 2018.

It doesn't feel progressive. It doesn't look equal.

Brexit has more of an impact on women.

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RedToothBrush · 12/03/2018 15:10

Online banking has limitations. Its fine if you have no problems. If you do, its a bloody nightmare.

The call centres are manned by foreign staff, who struggle to understand regional accents, and vice versa. Even if you do understand each other, the person at the other end hasn't got the authority to deal with anything out of the ordinary. Nor to they generally know who does.

So you end up in a cycle of going from department to department with everyone going 'I don't know' and not giving a shit.

You don't have the ability to book a meeting with a manager who can actually resolve issues.

It has a long way to go before it can get even close to the same level of service to a branch.

We've recently lost our last bank and the post office had already gone. After much effect they have managed to get a new one.

One of the issues was also the loss of a cash machine. It meant that local shops had issues with banking. People didn't have cash for car parking. You couldn't get cash for local events and things like a pound here and there for nursery (like charity giving).

As a rule I very rarely carry much cash these days. Neither does DH. But we did notice when it was a pain to get hold of it easily.

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Sostenueto · 12/03/2018 15:10

Cheques are rare indeed. Trouble is there are still lots of people who don't have fancy smartphones, tablets, PCs, laptops, especially the very old or the very poor. We are so used to all these gadgets we forget others may not gave them or even know his to use them. Its bad enough standing behind someone really elderly trying to withdraw from an ATM. Some get in a right muddle and I really feel for them. Yes the world is changing quicker than some people can keep up with it. P.s I never use online banking.

Sostenueto · 12/03/2018 15:14

Personally it will be London that will worry more than anything about the banks moving elsewhere. ( awaits someone to jump in and put me right about his it affects me)Smile

Sostenueto · 12/03/2018 15:14

How

lalalonglegs · 12/03/2018 15:20

Olivia that A50 update is very encouraging - I had my doubts about the viability of that challenge Smile

OliviaD68 · 12/03/2018 15:25

@lalalonglegs

Me too when I first read about it.

The Jo Maugham one clarifying revocability of A50 would be good too.

And finally the latest one challenging the revocation of the 2001 EUROPEAN UNION ACT in the Withdrawal Bill. This act requires referenda on EU matters - would be great if it succeeds. It would require a further referendum on the deal or no deal once known.

DGRossetti · 12/03/2018 15:27

The call centres are manned by foreign staff, who struggle to understand regional accents, and vice versa.

Don't get me started.

Why, in 2018 FGS, do people - born after I stuck my name on one of the RFCs that makes up the email protocol - insist on yakking on the fucking phone. Email is sooooooooooooo much better:

  1. You write it when you want to.
  2. The person dealing with it can deal with it at the most appropriate time
  3. You can add pictures, printouts, links, etc etc
  4. It is it's own record.
  5. It can be easily forwarded to the correct person

I was doing email in 1984.

A few years ago, I worked with someone who "didn't do email". One particular occasion, after a managers meeting when he was asked to pull some figures together, I heard him leaving 10 successive voicemails, and spending the rest of the day trying catch peoples return calls where people asked him to .... put it in an email.

Ironically I have no problem with call centres. But then I don't have a strong regional accent (apparently), and understand Basic Global English.

lakeshoreliving · 12/03/2018 15:31

These lists are just the tip of the iceberg, they don't show any of the multi-nationals who are scaling back production in UK so that instead of covering all of EU they will just cover UK. The new manufacturing lines being put in other EU factories rather than the expected UK ones.
But I think Brexit was an emotional decision for most and so reasonable evidence of it's damage is irrelevant to most.

DrivenToDespair · 12/03/2018 15:36

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DGRossetti · 12/03/2018 15:40

That is a great list. Unfortunately it needs to be counter balanced with the spurious "good news" stories that passionate leavers like to throw out there.

Distinguishing between good news stories would also be an idea. Just pointing to a good news story and claiming it's "because of" Brexit (with the flipside that the same should be applied to bad news stories).

Some things are just part of the run of the mill.

It's like weather and climate ...

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 12/03/2018 15:47

Good news story: boss of Next getting what he asked for Grin

Icantreachthepretzels · 12/03/2018 15:54

What are the good news brexit stories? If you don't include blue passports and brexit stamps because you don't care about or want those... and they won't in any way make anyone's life better.

What are the tangible benefits of Brexit?

Trying to create balance where there is none is a very dangerous thing. Sometimes there really is a right answer.

However - it would be hilarious if a newspaper printed the 48% list in one 'negatives about brexit' column and then next to it in the positives there was just - blue passports, stamps and bendy bananas. That might really force home to a lot of people what an utter joke this enterprise is.

mrsreynolds · 12/03/2018 15:59

I bank with first direct...have for years.
Call centre is in Scotland 😀

borntobequiet · 12/03/2018 15:59

to lonely

mrsreynolds · 12/03/2018 15:59

dobby???

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 12/03/2018 16:09

I'm being mean mrsr. He campaigned for brexit. Now Next is suffering for it. Feel sorry for the workers of course. Not him.

mrsreynolds · 12/03/2018 16:10

Ah
Yes
I feel the same about he owner of whetherspoon's
The gobshite 😬

DrivenToDespair · 12/03/2018 16:21

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/03/2018 16:25

Good news stories: I saw a tweet saying how at least Brexit was draining the life blood of the government and tying them up with all the plotting, though I'm not sure how reassuring that is.

Icantreachthepretzels · 12/03/2018 16:26

@Driven actually that would be pretty good... it would show the true 'balance' all too well Grin

DGRossetti · 12/03/2018 16:26

I find it amusing that the sensation of Brexiteers now being hoist with their own petard can only be described with the distinctly un-English "Schadenfreude". Especially as "petard" is a French word to boot Smile.

mrsreynolds · 12/03/2018 16:57

I can't find any humour in this anymore 😔

DGRossetti · 12/03/2018 17:03

I can't find any humour in this anymore

Just remember what happened to Robespierre Grin

DGRossetti · 12/03/2018 17:05

Good news stories: I saw a tweet saying how at least Brexit was draining the life blood of the government

How could anyone tell ? They were hardly a hotbed of dynamism before.

DGRossetti · 12/03/2018 17:07

Not Brexit, but a nice story ...

It seems by marrying his OH on Friday, Ken Dodd managed to stick it to the taxman, and avoid IHT on his home.