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Westministenders: One for the Women

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RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 10:23

Just remember that women are more likely to be worried about Brexit.

Their women's and workers rights are more at risk from departure from the EU, the ECJ and potentially the EHCR.
They are more likely to be worried as EU citizens in the UK due to taking time to have and raise families.
They are more likely to have been badly affected by austerity and an economic downturn will hit them first.
If they are leavers they are more likely to have changed their minds.
They are less likely to be MPs so have less representation.
They are more likely to be feeling politically unrepresented by any party and unsure of who they will vote for at the next election.
They are more likely to get abuse for expressing a political opinion. Many report having been subjected to sexual harassment from political colleagues.
They are more likely to be the target of abuse on social media.
They are earn less than their political colleagues, they earn less than their media colleagues, they earn less than their business colleagues. They are less likely to be in powerful lobby groups.

Then there's #metoo

And to cap it off women's groups are finding it hard to get their voice heard, and are frequently being labelled as hysterical or bigoted for merely wanting to discuss things and be reassured that their fears are acknowledged. They are frequently dismissed as liars or over sensitive.

This is 2018.

It doesn't feel progressive. It doesn't look equal.

Brexit has more of an impact on women.

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BigChocFrenzy · 11/03/2018 10:16

woman Chaos often leads to dictatorships

Plenty of evidence for this: desperate people voting for anyone to put food on the shelves and stop rioting and burning in the streets

What is worrying is a study a year or so ago (can't find the link) that found about 50% of UK voters believes a "strongman" unencumbered by laws Hmm could solve the UK's problems
Included many young people Sad

lonelyplanetmum · 11/03/2018 10:19

Shanker Singham is taking his team with him from Legatum to Westminster to join the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA).He will be closer to Westminster physically and policy wise. The linked article suggests Gove and Boris even get help with the contents of letter writing?

It is sinister that the IEA gets some funding from an organisation called 'American Friends of the IEA'.

If posters have not read ‘Dark money’ by Jane Mayer they should. It is well researched, factual and mind blowing about the effect a similar think tank and funding from the Koch brothers have had on US policy and politics. There are the beginnings of clear parallels and direct links.

http://www.cityam.com/281988/iea-poaches-legatum-top-team

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money

RedToothBrush · 11/03/2018 10:29

Yes woman. Articles get given press coverage based on previous clicks as they get more advertising revenue for the newspaper.

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woman11017 · 11/03/2018 10:48

I see red Guardian's gone so weird on GRA that I might boycott them now.Grin The Spectator is now the voice of feminism. Strange times.

woman11017 · 11/03/2018 10:51

And Fail is now Spare Rib. I am so confused.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5486023/Labour-activists-quit-men-women-parliamentary-lists.html

KennDodd · 11/03/2018 11:23

How come so many people STILL think it's a great idea to leave the EU? I just don't get it at all. I get that people want immigrants out but really, even if you really hate immigrants, can't they see the shit storm? I'm not confident at all that even if another referendum just had a Leave/Remain option that Leave wouldn't win.

AgnesSkinner · 11/03/2018 11:55

Thomas Cook inserting a Brexit clause into Ts & Cs:

The UK-based tour operator is including a "Brexit clause" in the terms and conditions of tickets sold for flights after March 2019 – when the UK is scheduled to leave the EU – in order to allow it to "step back from this contract", says Debus [Thomas Cook Chief Airline Operator]

"The EU and the UK government don't provide us clarity on which basis we can sell our tickets. Of course we will have a [Brexit] clause too."

Debus says the present lack of "clarity" around Brexit "doesn't encourage us to do big investments and more growth in the UK, at least to the EU".

www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/thomas-cook-downplays-risk-of-post-brexit-ownership-446262/

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/03/2018 11:59

good - the more tangible effects that are plainly put down to Brexit the better.
There is a thread atm about which high street stores are doomed - talking about all the recent closures of some shops, and how others are in trouble. Everyone posted about online shopping and the affordability of Primarni. No one said the B word.

SusanWalker · 11/03/2018 12:06

I think theres now a feeling for some people that its a war between leavers/remainers, the uk/eu. Nothing matters but winning. Comments like just tell the businesses/bankers to go show a disconnect from the reality of the economic situation. Some people want to 'win' no matter what the cost.

AgnesSkinner · 11/03/2018 12:08

Icant I just read the OP on that thread in AIBU. It reads like a lazy Heil journo drumming up material for a story on how EU businesses are driving out good old British shops. The way it’s written looks very odd.

Funny that a brand new poster that has never posted before starts a thread in AIBU eh?

mrsreynolds · 11/03/2018 12:44

Honestly woman ive no idea where to get impartial news from anymore

Talking to mum today about which shops are trouble/will fold

It was a depressingly long list

MimpiDreams · 11/03/2018 12:48

Looks like they may have a plan for the NI border. Register to cross before you go. Easy peasy, just like with the congestion charge in London.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-ireland-border-latest-people-register-advance-plan-theresa-may-a8248621.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/03/2018 12:52

I mean...she can't honestly think that either Sinn Fein, the Irish citizens in NI, British citizens in NI who need/want to go into the ROI or the entirety of the ROI will accept that proposal? Why did she even bother taking the two minutes to come up with the idea... well I guess she has to think about something whilst she takes a shit... but maybe she should keep those thoughts to herself?

thecatfromjapan · 11/03/2018 12:54

Trying to get people to disconnect from their own experience is a good strategy. Getting people to ignore what they can see with their own eyes, or giving them a placating, comforting lie instead of what they know to be true is also a great strategy.

I've been thinking more and more that it is outrageous that people are 'permitted' (and actually I think that means 'invited' and 'gently herded') into ignoring Brexit - which is one of the most serious events that is likely to affect them in their life-time. It continues to be treated with great irresponsibility by mainstream media.

And, yes, those threads where we are urged (wither by the OP or by odd little posters on the thread,) to ignore a major determinant in a retail recession - totally dodgy.

Somerville · 11/03/2018 12:59

The 'new plan' is not the governments idea - it's a report the EU came up with which lays out the reality of a technological border - and that it flies in the face of the GFA.

Unfortunately the PM has “asked officials to look at it very carefully” and "l believe it gives some very good proposals for solutions.” Angry Angry

lonelyplanetmum · 11/03/2018 12:59

There is a thread atm about which high street stores are doomed - talking about all the recent closures of some shops, and how others are in trouble. Everyone posted about online shopping and the affordability of Primarni. No one said the B word.

I saw this thread and thought the same. It's incredible consumers rarely mention the role of relinquishing membership and the consequent fall in the pound.When the business owners explain no one listens. A lovely independent clothes, gifts, cards, interiors shop near me just went under. Buying their stock has become vastly more expensive due to the pound and people were spending less.

Most of the bigger failing businesses had on line sales too. They were not affected by internet shopping before the referendum. Businesses really were not failing like this in 2015. It's a catastrophic sign of worse to come and yet there's a wilful
blindness at making the connection.

mrsreynolds · 11/03/2018 13:00

I remember shops/shopping pre EU membership. Pretty grim at times as I recall. Added to that the small village shops that had a monopoly and ripped everyone off 😡

I pay less now for mcvities biscuits than I did in the 70s!

Tbh I think that's what'll swing it - rejoining I mean...

The lack of choice

The poor quality

Lowered food standards

It's going to be grim

OliviaD68 · 11/03/2018 13:15

@MimpiDreams

How does this solve the problem of border checks for goods and freedom of movement?

There's registration and then what?

Unless NI is in the SM and CU, how does the EU or UK know:

  1. who is in the vehicle? whether the people in the vehicle are allowed in?
  2. what is in the vehicle?
  3. what taxes need to be collected? duties? VAT?
  4. what the origin of the goods is?
  5. whether the goods comply with the various EU / UK standards?
MimpiDreams · 11/03/2018 13:19

Hmm. I guess it's back to unicorns and fairy dust then.

SusanWalker · 11/03/2018 13:21

I saw a news report on the closure of some branches of chain restaurants. Now that is a high street business that can't be affected by internet shopping. But I suppose that will be the fault of the EU or something.

MinnieMousse · 11/03/2018 13:28

I've been following these threads from the start but rarely comment. This latest thread is making me feel depressed. Things seem to swing from one end of the spectrum to the other with increasing rapidity. Just a couple of weeks ago I was feeling a lot more buoyant, as if BINO was looking likely, now it feels as if we're heading towards a hard Brexit again.

Increasingly, I think I agree with the Preston comment upthread that we're going to have to crash out and live with the consequences for a while before we see the error of our ways. Selfishly, I just hope it's sorted before my children are grown up and looking for work.

OliviaD68 · 11/03/2018 13:36

The only hard Brexit I see @MinnieMousse is one where a miscalculation is made and we crash out.

There's no way Parliament will agree to no deal. It's disastrous given the large number and institutions and treaties the UK relies on to function - eg OpenSkies.

The current EU proposal is a fake one. It ignores the GFA problem which the UKGOV has pledged to resolve in the Dec 8 joint report. Negotiations have stopped until then.

As no solution will appear, the UKGOV has agreed that NI would stay in the SM and CU while ALSO giving NI access rUK as it has today. Meaning the UK must stay too.

So we will then have the choice of EEA with no say. Or remaining and having a say.

I think we'll remain to maintain our sovereignty.

MichaelBendfaster · 11/03/2018 13:58

lonelyplanetmum, I got that YouGov survey too. I'd be interested to know the thinking behind it being designed, and to see the results.

MinnieMousse · 11/03/2018 14:03

I hope you're right Olivia. Give it another week or two and I'm sure things will be looking different again!

OliviaD68 · 11/03/2018 14:11

@MinnieMousse

There's a standstill in discussions with the EU until the famous UK solution arrives. It won't. Or
It won't work.

So the discussions fall apart.

Leading to a crisis. No confidence vote? New election? Don't know.

But a deal is not feasible. At least not now.