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Westministenders: One for the Women

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RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 10:23

Just remember that women are more likely to be worried about Brexit.

Their women's and workers rights are more at risk from departure from the EU, the ECJ and potentially the EHCR.
They are more likely to be worried as EU citizens in the UK due to taking time to have and raise families.
They are more likely to have been badly affected by austerity and an economic downturn will hit them first.
If they are leavers they are more likely to have changed their minds.
They are less likely to be MPs so have less representation.
They are more likely to be feeling politically unrepresented by any party and unsure of who they will vote for at the next election.
They are more likely to get abuse for expressing a political opinion. Many report having been subjected to sexual harassment from political colleagues.
They are more likely to be the target of abuse on social media.
They are earn less than their political colleagues, they earn less than their media colleagues, they earn less than their business colleagues. They are less likely to be in powerful lobby groups.

Then there's #metoo

And to cap it off women's groups are finding it hard to get their voice heard, and are frequently being labelled as hysterical or bigoted for merely wanting to discuss things and be reassured that their fears are acknowledged. They are frequently dismissed as liars or over sensitive.

This is 2018.

It doesn't feel progressive. It doesn't look equal.

Brexit has more of an impact on women.

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mrsreynolds · 10/03/2018 07:47

Ds1 has his gcses next year
After that I'm happy to go

BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2018 08:07

I'm worried about what would happen if the the Uk leaves the Single Market

RNorth's blogs (he's a longterm Leave campaigner) have constantly warned of massive problems in the first year or so,
but in one blog he suggests it could even be a tipping point for the UK economy, from which it won't recover Sad

iirc he drew a parallel with Argentina making a few foolish populist decisions in the 1920s or 1930s - when its population was one of the richest in the world - which caused problems from which it has never recovered.
So a worrying example of how a country can fall from 1st world status to an impoverished failed state, plagued by economic chaos and dictatorships

That's the worst case scenario:
not just an economic recession, which is a temporary problem, however painful
but a turning point from which the country cannot recover.

So we really need this govt to see sense, or be replaced - urgently.
But by Corbyn ?
Despite his new-found fans in the business world, would he handle Brexit any better ?
(quite apart from very some unpleasant Labour policies & attitudes atm)

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/03/2018 08:13

BBC Andrew Kerr
@BBCandrewkerr
Big Scottish Labour row on eve of conference - the leadership blocks plans to have a vote on single market membership. Fury amongst ordinary members. Leadership say their motions will be out of date - as they pre-dated Corbyn’s speech on being in “a” customs union.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2018 08:19

Londoner denied NHS cancer care (longterm Commonwealth immigrant)

Kicked out of his council home - because he hasn't got his mum's 1960 immigration papers - and now denied NHS cancer treatment too

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/denied-free-nhs-cancer-care-left-die-home-office-commonwealth

another victim of an unfolding scandal around the treatment by the Home Office of a group of people who arrived in the UK as children from Commonwealth countries.

This cohort grew up believing themselves to be British,
only to discover in a rapidly hardening immigration climate that they need documentary proof of their right to be here, which many do not have.

“The Home Office routinely fails to recognise people’s permission to be here,
regardless of whether a person has been living in the UK, registered with numerous other government departments, paying taxes and contributing to society for decades”

< Back in the 1940s - 1960s, when these immigrants or their parents arrived in the UK, noone dreamed they would need to keep documents 60 years, to save their now sick & elderly kids >

Cailleach1 · 10/03/2018 08:29

Thompson has lived in London for 44 years, having arrived from Jamaica as a teenager, and although he has worked as a mechanic and paid taxes for more than three decades, the Home Office is disputing his eligibility to remain.

Wow. This is amazing stuff.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/denied-free-nhs-cancer-care-left-die-home-office-commonwealth

Cailleach1 · 10/03/2018 08:36

And the freeze in Brexit talks until the UK sorts it's stuff out is hardly discussed.

But 48 typhoon jets to Saudi, is. Yah!

Cailleach1 · 10/03/2018 08:37

You're there before me BigChoc.

mrsreynolds · 10/03/2018 08:53

The Jamaican immigrants who we begged to come here and work....?

Jesus

mrsreynolds · 10/03/2018 08:56

Getting worried for my mum

With the Irish border being cited as the reason talks are frozen how long til Irish citizens get letters??

She has been here since she was 18
She is 72
She is frail

This is so so fucked up

Cailleach1 · 10/03/2018 09:08

Don't worry yet on that score, mrsR.

Could you imagine if they started sending them to Irish people from NI?

Major's words about your pet hamster being as safe as with a python with the Brexiteers can apply right across the board, not just the NHS, methinks.

Younger Irish people at least have options. More mobile.

woman11017 · 10/03/2018 09:44

Flowers everyone, here's to us..

To go back to red's OP at the start, we know who the burden of food shortages and lack of healthcare will fall on. Us.

Men are not taking notice because it doesn't.

I don't know how to get through their thick skulls.< even though we know from actual family members how this turned out the last time>

Very slowly the ludicrousness of the trans issue seems to be filtering through to them, and things will hopefully change before it's too late.

I have never voted for anyone but labour for the nearly 4 decades I have been voting. But will now. Lib Dem.

Labour is not only promoting a ukip agenda, they didn't even have the intelligence or good grace to spell Keir Hardie's name correctly.
In Scotland.

They are taking the piss.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2018 09:51

MrsR (Along with several other concerns) I'm worried about RoI citizens if there is no deal:

Brexiters and their media will look for scapegoats and the RoI is the obvious one

With this spiteful lot in power and with popular support for such spite,
one obvious way of punishing the RoI is to remove the right to free NHS treatment for those resident in the UK.
and to kick them out of council houses, like happened to that Jamaican man, see above

Maybe for all residents who are non-Brits, since councils & hospitals now seem to be sniffing out the furrin.

Since the state does this to Commonwealth immigrants, those from RoI are the obvious next step, if the RoI refuses to roll over like a good little colony.
The Uk govt might even start reminding the RoI via back channels about what could happen to their expats in Britain.
The DUP certainly won't stand up for Irish rights - many supporters would just gloat.

It would cause a lot of pain to a lot of people,who will be told they should have thought of this 40 years ago Hmm
and planned accordingly - Leavers have been telling E27 expats this since the EU Ref

thecatfromjapan · 10/03/2018 09:53

I think now - right now - is the time to apply pressure to Labour.

They are the main Opposition party: they need to act like it.

If you have a Labour MP, or think it might be a possibility in the next GE - please write and tell them that their position on Brexit, women, immigration, etc. is unacceptable.

We do have time to apply pressure. I think we can be successful in moving Labour to where they need to be.

Having said that, I obviously think that you need to look at what is going on in your individual area. Grin And I know you're not all Labour supporters (which is fine). Still, they are the other big party - I think they need to shift - and shift faster.

Honestly, I do really feel very angry but - having spent a lot of last night seething with rage - I find that thinking of things that I can still do is the best preventative against depression and madness!!

BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2018 10:08

I get exasperated when people say they voted because no alternative could possibly be worse than the present

woman My late dad grew up in the 1920s and 1930s NE, suffering dreadful poverty during the Depression:

His whole family was hungry and literally barefoot, even his mum during the worst year, because she had to pawn her only pair of shoes. That winter, they wrapped their feet in rags.
He left school on his 14th birthday and worked a full-time manual job, to keep the family (many younger kids) fed

No money for medicines or ops - I read an article from someone else who survived that time.
He described how the whole street could hear one woman screamed in agony for weeks before dying of cancer
and babies died because their mothers were too malnourished to BF

That's what still happens to poor people in poor countries.
Things won't get that bad again in the UK, but it could get a LOT worse than now

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2018 10:26

www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-43343196
Single market row at Scottish Labour conference

Pro-single market campaigners had hoped to use a Brexit debate on Sunday to call for the UK to remain in the trading bloc.

But the party's ruling body said the "situation regarding Brexit has changed significantly" in recent weeks.

It said the motions on single market membership were therefore out of date.

It has instead proposed a "unity motion" that does not mention the single market.

Pro-single market campaigners are furious, claiming the move was a "democratic outrage".

If their motions had passed, they would have become official Scottish Labour policy - putting it at odds with UK leader Jeremy Corbyn.

Twice. In a week.

Central Labour actively blocking debate.

As I say, this is corbyn trying to do a johnson by pulling a loyalty thing.

He is an authoritarian. He is dangerous.

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woman11017 · 10/03/2018 10:31

He is an authoritarian. He is dangerous. yup. SWP, know 'em well.
We do have time to apply pressure
I agree cat but I think over 100 000 of us emailed labour re single market and customs union, and that motion was overruled? I've written personally to local candidate on GRA, trans and brexit.

thecatfromjapan · 10/03/2018 10:34

I knew you would have, woman. Grin You are a phenomenal woman.

I think we have to keep doing it. Sad

Crazy times.

HesterThrale · 10/03/2018 10:36

We MUSTN'T vote for Labour or Con as a kick against the other one, because they believe it's a mandate for their own personal manifesto. A vote's a vote, despite your reason for voting. We saw that last year. Both parties believing the public wanted Brexit.
The Lib Dems or the Greens or whoever, must increase their vote share. That's the only thing to make the main parties take note.

I'm beginning to believe JC is really not very bright. No way I could vote for him right now.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/03/2018 10:36

What was the first time?

I know the NEC leadership election was pulled but it feels like that happened more than a week ago (though time has lost shape).

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/03/2018 10:45

Sorry if this has already been posted

Nick Eardley
@nickeardleybbc
Scottish Government says it's "alarmed" that a new category of powers has emerged - where there had been suggestions of devolved control but UK now says they're fully reserved. The leaked memo we obtained shows how they reached that conclusion.

Scotland's deputy FM @JohnSwinney says UK gov't plans published today would ride roughshod over devolution settlement and making reaching a deal harder

Faisal Islam
@faisalislam
Interesting leak on Brexit devolution issue that is causing more severe headaches in Government:
Basically EU membership was hardwired into the devolution settlements, can be unpicked, but essentially involves creating a new UK Single Market, with baseline of common regulations, standards, legal redress, enforcement. Not least for future trade deals.
Then the fun starts when you interact this with the plan for “ambitious managed divergence”.

  1. Say UK opts in future to diverge from an EU regulation, knowing that this will go to a UK-EU arbitration committee to decide on possible market access implications...complicated enough
  2. But if it is in a devolved area, say agricultural standards, does Holyrood have to give consent too? What if the standard change is in an area that is fine for Commons MPs, but the restriction of Market access is in an area of particular eg Scottish concern? -
  3. On other hand can it really be expected that future Trade Sec’s negotiations constrained by having to seek consent from Holyrood, Cardiff, Stormont?
Then again, what if access for say Australasian markets for financial services is traded for NZ lamb? Does Cardiff get a veto?
  1. Ie will Scotland & Wales have more or less power over their future trade policy than Wallonia in the EU?...
The UK Gov argue both will end up with more power than currently exists within the EU trading system ... anyway this all probably starts to explain why the Scottish Tory MPs spent hours en bloc in various bits of Downing Street on Tuesday, while we were waiting for Verhofstadt... serious issue. ... and here is the document listing 24 areas where UK Government wants to legislate for UK wide standards - fisheries, food labeling, chemicals, agriculture, animal welfare etc: (link: www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/686991/20180307_FINAL__Frameworks_analysis_for_publication_on_9_March_2018.pdf )
Westministenders: One for the Women
Westministenders: One for the Women
thecatfromjapan · 10/03/2018 10:47

There's a real problem with FPTP, though. The Conservatives, as we know, are increasingly answerable to their big donors - and we know who they are - anything that gives them seats is very dangerous right now.

I'm increasingly thinking that the UK is heading to become a text-book example of how FPTP inhibits democracy and enables destructive political decisions. Fascinating (in a bleak way) given that I can remember History lessons given over to discussions as to whether FPTP protected against such.

SwedishEdith · 10/03/2018 10:47

So, Prue Leith is mother to Danny Kruger

I read that as Dunning Kruger.

HesterThrale · 10/03/2018 10:49

What's keeping this strange unity in the Tory party? Fear of Labour getting in.
What's keeping Labour behind JC? Fear of internal collapse (as in summer 2016).
What's keeping politicians behind Brexit? Fear of the public declaring 'What about democracy?'

Nobody is following a path for positive reasons right now, just through fear of the alternative.

We need someone to come out and strongly declare a belief in something that sounds good and sensible, honourable and beneficial. And just go for it.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/03/2018 10:51

This thread is about women’s rights but it seems especially relevant given concerns discussed on this thread about Irish citizens

TFMR Ireland
@TFMRIRE
We are very concerned that Liverpool Women's Hospital has confirmed they can no longer treat all Irish women presenting with a diagnosis of a fatal condition for their baby. Liverpool offers amazing treatment and care to heartbroken parents and their babies. 1/ #RepealThe8th
Due to staff shortage they are forced to prioritise NHS patients, having been the saviours of Irish women and families for decades. They are limiting access to Irish women who are between 16 & 20 weeks whose baby have a diagnosis of a chromosome abnormality with a full report 2/
This is before an anomaly scan will have been carried out, and before most are unaware of any issues with the pregnancy. This excludes pregnancies with structural conditions like absent kidneys, heart defects, anencephaly and many other devastating medical diagnoses. 3/
This shows how precarious our current "system" of care is; exporting the problem to a country & a healthcare system that we are not actually part of. Irish families are now going to have to search for alternatives while they suffer horrible grief and pain. 4/
It is an absolute matter of urgency that we #RepealThe8th #StopPunishingTragedy and start caring for women & familes at home. No more excuses.
We visited @LiverpoolWomens last year to donate artwork to the Honeysuckle Team. A more dedicated, wonderful team you will not meet. They've provided incredible care for decades to Irish women. But we cannot continue to rely on them. #RepealThe8th

SwedishEdith · 10/03/2018 11:00

She's had a life of extraordinary privilege though.

"From the age of five until she was 17, Leith attended St Mary's School, Waverley; an English independent private boarding school for girls in Johannesburg run by Anglican nuns.[3] She left with a first class matriculation and studied at Cape Town University where she failed to follow for any length of time courses in drama, fine art, architecture or French. She persuaded her parents to allow her to attend the Sorbonne (formally, the University of Paris), ostensibly to better learn French while studying the Cours de Civilisation Française." She didn't finish this either.

Can you imagine being able to flit about between courses like that and "persuade" your parents to let you go to the Sorbonne?

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