Westminstenders: Break Up or Make Up?

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The next week or so appears to be yet another crunch point (not that any of these crunch points have actually resolved anything so far).

The EU is set to outline the plan for Ireland. Which everyone thought had already been outlined and agreed already. And it had been admitted was legally binding.

Except apparently we don't want to do that, and we are now crying about how the EU want to break up Britain (nothing to do with England wanting to leave the EU and Scotland and NI wanting to stay in it of course).

Jeremy Corbyn has now apparently decided that the customs union is a good idea. David Davis and Liam Fox have responded by saying that this would stop us making our own trade deals. Yes this has obviously stopped Turkey, and why aren't we doing as much trade with China etc as Germany anyway? A vote in the HoC looms before Easter. Will Tory rebels support.

Will Jeremy Corbyn bow to pressure over the single market too? The customs union alone does not stop the border issue in Ireland. Nor does it stop ridiculous queues at Dover. I'm not sure Corbyn is one for listening though. He's got a whiff of power and democracy and reality is just a hindrance to utopia.

As for the Great Repeal Bill. Word has it, its not going too clever in the HoL. The conservatives had something of a show of strength with an unusual number turning up for the debate. But few on the backbenches were willing to speak in favour of...

It all feels like we are making no progress at all. We are still bleating on about cherry picked deals as if this is a negotiation. Its not.

Davis is meeting with Verhofstadt as we speak (I think). Calm and quietly stating the facts is unlikely to be Davis' chosen MO.

If anyone remembers the Rock and Roll Years, we've just reached 1972.

you could almost flick between that and the news, and not notice (except the music was better) ...

Weren't we going to have cheap food as a result of leaving the EU - because we could trade with nations in Africa? In return we would sell them financial services! (it was on Conservative Home a year or so back.)

Yet the Brexit Arms people are happy with what's been negotiated - well, wriggling on the RoI/NI border.

I actually think it will be the not being able to book flights easily which will get to a lot of one time Leavers - it most definitely wasn't what they voted for. It would be good of course, if it cleared out the drunken lager louts from the Costa del Sol. Don't think that Spain needs us either - with increased wealth in Eastern Europe, especially Poland, Latvia and Estonia, there are plenty of people available to fill the gap.

It would be good of course, if it cleared out the drunken lager louts from the Costa del Sol. Don't think that Spain needs us either - with increased wealth in Eastern Europe, especially Poland, Latvia and Estonia, there are plenty of people available to fill the gap.

It could be a shock to some, if we have a hard Brexit that destroys FOM, and the rest of the EU is able to pick and choose the type of Brit they'd like to have over ....

It's a shame that the remoaners on this thread couldn't be bothered to pull their heads out of their arses (Thank you surfer) and actually do some proper research.

While you've been sniping from the sides, it seems the UK and EU have cracked the NI border issue.

Here:

I wonder if I could convince ds1 to learn German?
free uni

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-brexit-worth-it-a8241251.html

mrsreynolds, he has the choice of an array of courses through English throughout the EU. A relative of mine is doing one taught in English in Maastricht. It is Science related.

www.studying-in-germany.org/study-in-english-in-germany/

Enjoying that Rossetti! Love the bit that nobody is even exactly sure where the border is as there are a couple of unresolved disputes. Lough Foyle is one

www.thejournal.ie/lough-foyle-ownership-3086385-Nov2016/

It gets better and better, doesn't it.

Two big manufacturers. Vauxhall and airbus.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43300201

amp.theguardian.com/business/2018/mar/05/airbus-may-leave-uk-unless-there-is-urgent-clarity-on-brexit-trade

The head of Vauxhall has said lack of clarity over Brexit threatens the future of its Ellesmere Port operation. Carlos Tavares

I stopped there. He sounds a bit furrin, so probably not to be trusted. Where a decent English person when you need a good spin on Brexit ....

She told the BBC Today programme that a three-hour wait on a lorry at Dover “would be a critically bad issue for Airbus”, as would be delaying cargo flights carrying completed wings to Europe.

3 hour

It's not the 1950s now. 3 days is probably a better estimate. (Vaguely fnds himself wondering about driver hours, EU tachograph regs etc ....)

I’m sure Leavers will spin it that lorry drivers can time their statutory breaks with the customs clearance waiting times at the ports

@MollyMEP
Judge has refused permission for us to proceed with judicial review #BrexitStudies

@RobertsDan
In the High Court to hear @JolyonMaugham and @MollyMEP lose a second attempt to force a Judicial Review of UK government refusal to publish all Brexit economic impact assessments. Justice Supperstone says freedom of information act offers (theoretical) route of redress already.

This is incredibly disappointing: judge rules that we should use FoI route instead. So many have tried via FoI route and all have been refused. British people are being denied access to evidence about the impact of #Brexit on their lives

This is where the case for the coup comes in. We're losing avenues of being able to seek information and challenge decisions being made, which means the government is able to make all these decisions without any accountability or checks and balances

Was listening fleetingly to Jess Philips MP this morning about the Yarlswood detainees. She mentioned a clause in a Bill going through Parliament that would permit the Home Office not to disclose information held on file to the person subject to detention/removal, so they would be unable to know about or correct any incorrect data relied on by the HO to support the detention/removal. Labour are opposing the clause. Again closing down the ways in which decisions can be challenged.

All coming out of the woodwork today.

Jaguar Land Rover needs Brexit detail before building electric cars in Britain
Reuters • By Costas Pitas • 2 hours 36 minutes ago
By Costas Pitas

GENEVA (Reuters) - Jaguar Land Rover is waiting for more information on trading conditions after Brexit before it decides whether to make electric cars in its home market, the boss of Britain's biggest carmaker told Reuters.

The Indian-owned automaker, which makes just under one in three of Britain's 1.7 million cars at three factories, is building its new I-PACE electric model in Austria.

The company is due to decide this year whether to build electric vehicles in Britain but, like its peers, is worried about the imposition of tariffs or customs checks after Brexit, snarling up supply chains and adding costs to production.

"That makes the decision this year very, very critical and I don't know whether we can make it," Chief Executive Ralf Speth told Reuters at the Geneva Motor Show.

London and Brussels hope to agree on a transitional deal this month to maintain free and unfettered trade until at least the end of 2020 ahead of a long-term Brexit agreement to be decided by the end of the year.

Speth cited the need for support from government and academia but when asked whether Brexit was a factor in the decision-making process, he said:

"We are waiting for these kinds of decisions. It goes without saying because uncertainty is really challenging us very much and not only us, it's for the complete industry.

"You hardly see inward investment any more or every decision is taking longer from every faculty. Therefore it would be ... appropriate to get more information about these kinds of deals."

Oh heck - wasn't becoming leaders in electric cars our plan for how Britain was going to survive?

Seriously - at what point are they just going to give up? It's getting ridiculous.

Well we could all join the new political party being formed by ex UKIP leader.

by ex UKIP leader

Which one of the many?

Henry Bolton who was voted put last month at a meeting of UKIP members. He apparently said he would campaign unceasingly for our full independence from the EU.

*out

All I can say is good luck with that as everyone is so bored with the whole thing that I doubt he will get much response from leaver's.

What about Trump who wants to put massive tariffs on EU cars then? Surely that will put the cat amongst the pigeons?