Westminstenders: Break Up or Make Up?

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The next week or so appears to be yet another crunch point (not that any of these crunch points have actually resolved anything so far).

The EU is set to outline the plan for Ireland. Which everyone thought had already been outlined and agreed already. And it had been admitted was legally binding.

Except apparently we don't want to do that, and we are now crying about how the EU want to break up Britain (nothing to do with England wanting to leave the EU and Scotland and NI wanting to stay in it of course).

Jeremy Corbyn has now apparently decided that the customs union is a good idea. David Davis and Liam Fox have responded by saying that this would stop us making our own trade deals. Yes this has obviously stopped Turkey, and why aren't we doing as much trade with China etc as Germany anyway? A vote in the HoC looms before Easter. Will Tory rebels support.

Will Jeremy Corbyn bow to pressure over the single market too? The customs union alone does not stop the border issue in Ireland. Nor does it stop ridiculous queues at Dover. I'm not sure Corbyn is one for listening though. He's got a whiff of power and democracy and reality is just a hindrance to utopia.

As for the Great Repeal Bill. Word has it, its not going too clever in the HoL. The conservatives had something of a show of strength with an unusual number turning up for the debate. But few on the backbenches were willing to speak in favour of...

It all feels like we are making no progress at all. We are still bleating on about cherry picked deals as if this is a negotiation. Its not.

What's this about DD? Not on the BBC or the Guardian website yet.

I see that May is now looking towards the Canadian/US border for some ideas for the NI/RoI border issue. Now I know that I studied history but I don't remember there being the equivalent of The Troubles in recent history between the two countries.

Semi permanent hasn't been in the brexit arms for ages, unless they have name changed?

Maybe it's not all sunlit uplands? 😔

most Remainers would not make them feel bad

Didn't DD announce some time ago that he would step down after official Brexit (March 2019) and wouldn't be staying on for transition or whatever limbo/freefall we find ourselves in?

Might be of interest

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mrsR you shouldn't have to pay anymore to keep your FOM, my issues are not with remainers only doing what I would do if I could but with my government that is stripping myself and my family of our citizenship without my consent.

I thought DD announced his retirement last October? Has he released an impact assessment or a plan on it?

He did

No one find that...worrying?

I wonder just how many of May, Johnson, Fox, Davis, Deadwood Redwood, IDS, etc. will be in politics in five years time? I think they will have scurried away to count their money.

The fate of the Brexit Arms makes me suspect that DGRossetti might be correct when he thinks a lot of the Leave vote would stay home for a second referendum.

As for David Davis, well, it's been released in that 'below the headlines' way, hasn't it? It's a 'conversation amongst friends', leaked to the Telegraph and the Sun, and has been denied. So it's amorphous, and slippy, and wobbly (like so much Brexit nonsense) quite hard to grasp hold of, get a purchase on and thus make anything coherent of it.

Obviously, it should be absolutely shocking. It's really quite unconscionable that such irresponsibility and abrogation of responsibility is to be seen in such a senior figure. And it speaks, quite clearly, of the fact that David Davis seems to realise that Brexit is a disaster he wants to walk away from.

But it just meets that incredible wall of silence ...

Peregrina Yes. I think that. A lot. I do, however, wonder if Boris Johnson will actually have to pay for security for the rest of his life when the shit finally hits the fan.

Yep. Agree peregrina.

Ds1 is thrilled he will be an Irish citizen.😁 Ds2 doesnt really care.

I wish I felt able to sympathise with regretful leavers.
But I cant.
Too angry.
Not proud of it, but as time goes on I'm just getting angrier 😡😔

Think Mays speech aimed at parliamentary members rather than ordinary people. She's got to appease her party hasn't she?

One of farages more prescient comments was the worry he might by lynched "if brexit doesn't work"

He isnt the only one who should be worried.

Amazing how enough money can buy EU passports though...cypriot one anybody??

Me too, MrsReynolds.

BoJo can just resume his US citizenship and set himself up over there if Brexit tarnishes his brand turns out to be less of a success than he has claimed.

Amazing how enough money can buy EU passports though...cypriot one anybody??

I live in a constant state of belief that next Tuesday/Friday I will win the euromillions (it's amazing I'm not a leaver with that amount of wishful thinking!) I'm pretty clued up on the intricacies of buying Maltese citizenship - a million pounds well worth spending IMHO

BoJo can just resume his US citizenship
Not in a million years
The US is the most pernickity nation on earth about passports

It's going to be interesting, though. (And that should be 'interesting', in inverted commas.) What does happen to someone who wrecks a first world nation's economy for personal ambition?

He's going to make some very powerful enemies. And a lot of powerless ones.

The current political situation is proving a very effective impediment to any realistic assessment of what we are living through - but that won't hold forever.

I wonder if he's going to be like the Nazis who hid in Argentina. Or if he'll be like the ones given immunity and a new identity because they were valuable. He strikes me as being more likely to be a liability than an asset - he's just so high profile.

Odd to think we'll get a ringside seat for all of this. Interesting - but not particularly pleasant to live through.

I wonder if he's going to be like the Nazis who hid in Argentina.

For him that would be the best case scenario and probably what he's banking on - but food and medicine shortages and no planes? He'll be lucky to get out in time. Being pulled out of bed in the dead of night and strung up from the nearest lamppost is also a distinct possibility... and it won't be the remainers doing the lynching.

I keep telling ds1 "we are living in interesting times" and to pay attention because he'll be studying this mess in a few years....

Who is going to be lynched? BoJo or Farage? Or Both?

I like to imagine which parts of these threads will be pulled out as primary sources to be studied in GCSE history class in fifty- hundred years time.

Who is going to be lynched? BoJo or Farage? Or Both?

The whole lot of them... but I worry for the tory rebels - they might end up getting lynched first as the mob tries to blame the people who talked Britain down.

I am not sure that the Leavers are up to doing any lynching. Wasn't Farage going to get thousands out on a march last year sometime, and about 50 people and a dog turned up? I suspect they will just grumble and chunter.

Wasn't Farage going to get thousands out on a march last year sometime
Worth posting again. Last week's March for Brexit and liberation from traitorous apostrophes.