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Westministenders: Groundhog Day

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RedToothBrush · 14/02/2018 16:20

Groundhog day is 2nd Feb.

Its also today. And yesterday. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before.

We have all turned into Bill Murray.

That's Brexit in the UK.

The only progress seems to be linguistic gymnastics not policy.

No action has been implemented, we are still on words going nowhere.

Tick tock, tick tock.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/02/2018 10:37

Dominic Raab hasn't signed the ERG letter. I will admit to being confused by this

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/02/2018 10:38

Sam Coates Times
@SamCoatesTimes

Couple more bits of intel related to last night’s leaked ERG letter.

Strictly for SW1 obsessives - no complaints please that this is boring:

Firstly, the ERG were very keen to keep this secret. It hadn’t leaked all weekend (it went to No10 on Friday). Notably, they kept the letter off the main now-famous ERG whatsapp Group because they think remain-minded MPs are leaking stuff from that (see Buzzfeed recently for EG)

I’m told that John Penrose, the remain-voting author, now leading on policy for the ERG (there’s a jump) was very sensitive about this and keen to keep it secret. Penrose clearly wants to have his cake and eat it: wants to be involved but worried about being seen to be involved

Secondly ERG-ers say they only really really trust Boris Johnson to reflect their views in cabinet. At least one senior ERG-er hasn’t been talking to Michael Gove much recently about Brexit. The ERG are aware that Gove has been sending mixed signals recently about Brexit. 👀👀

Thirdly there WERE different versions of the letter, as I reported last night. But it wasn’t for spycraft reasons. The first version that went to No10 had spelling errors in it and was sent back for correcting. 😳😳

RedToothBrush · 21/02/2018 10:42

The ERG are aware that Gove has been sending mixed signals recently about Brexit.

Haha! I said the same.

Davis is no longer trusted either I see.

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DGRossetti · 21/02/2018 10:57

Unemployment up ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43140646

SwedishEdith · 21/02/2018 11:01

Dominic Raab is a minister - they've not signed it but are clearly ultras.

SwedishEdith · 21/02/2018 11:05

They'll protect their core vote, home-owners and the 50+ age group, make everyone else subsidise them

The younger end of that demographic (includes me) have children who are amongst the first generation lumbered with £9k student fees and no chance of buying homes.

mrsreynolds · 21/02/2018 11:10

I see my MP is a signatory

The fucker 😡

SusanWalker · 21/02/2018 11:14

This is an interesting article on the EDGE

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/tory-ministers-taxpayer-cash-hard-Brexit-erg

SusanWalker · 21/02/2018 11:14

ERG not EDGE!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/02/2018 11:17

Ah thanks swedish, was perplexed by his apparent lack of support given his Brexit stance to date

SusanWalker · 21/02/2018 11:18

I was a bit surprised my MP hasn't signed as he's a brexiteer. But then he's a minister and works with Gove.

prettybird · 21/02/2018 11:22

I agree with BigChocFrenzy , unfortunately Sad

They are in a Win-Win situation - able to blackmail push for the hardest of Brexits with a supine, weak yet power hungry PM so that all their wet wildest dreams of making money unfettered by pesky safeguards a de-regulated economy can come true - yet blame the nasty EU and those unbelievers recalcitrant obstinate Remainers for all the highly predictable problems that then befall the UK economy. Angry

The added bonus for them is that they can then also dismantle and make money from privatise the public services that they hate are the foundation of a civilised society, because they can no longer be afforded. SadAngry

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/02/2018 11:22

Bruno Waterfield‏
@BrunoBrussels
Woah. UK wants transition to last indefinitely - in draft guidelines

Laura Kuenssberg
‏*@bbclaurak*
More Laura Kuenssberg Retweeted Bruno Waterfield
That will be tricky for May at home depending how it's phrased,,, guidelines have started leaking out, but not officially published yet

Westministenders: Groundhog Day
Motheroffourdragons · 21/02/2018 11:27

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Peregrina · 21/02/2018 11:32

SwedishEdith Like others I agree; we may be over 50 although I don't vote Tory, but we have children and grandchildren and we see the problems they have with housing and schooling to name two key areas, and we don't see the Tories offering any solutions which don't favour the already wealthy.

mrsreynolds · 21/02/2018 11:42

Well, well, well.....

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/02/2018 11:43

The full leaked draft guideline:

assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rQVCUXtdp4QM/v0

U.K. Eyes Longer Brexit Transition and Asks EU to Talk Dates

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-21/u-k-eyes-longer-brexit-transition-and-asks-eu-to-talk-dates

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 21/02/2018 11:47

Unsurprisingly my mp signed it the complete cockwomble

Timing of letter makes sense now.

RedToothBrush · 21/02/2018 11:50

Laura Kuennsberg @ bbclaurak
Govt source accepts UK has softened its position on EU citizens being able to come and settle in UK after Brexit during transition period - faced EU brick wall altho PM has always said it had to be different

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RedToothBrush · 21/02/2018 11:52

I can see why brexiteers are beginning to panic. Verhofstadt was muttering about associate status the other day. Same thing as indefinite transition if you ask me

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DGRossetti · 21/02/2018 11:58

Govt source accepts UK has softened its position on EU citizens being able to come and settle in UK after Brexit during transition period - faced EU brick wall

You know that adage about people assuming other people are as evil as they are ? Which is why there are sometimes upsets in the course of history.

It seems obvious that the rabid Brexiteers clearly imagined that the EU would act the way a Brexiteer would have under pressure - shit on your mates and look after number one. In fact they were counting on it being their secret weapon in "negotiations" where they could play to each countries venality and divide and conquer (wonder where they learned that).

But, like the plucky burghers of Scotland eschewing Coca Cola for Irn Bru, it seems "europeans" have some other agenda and are holding firm.

DGRossetti · 21/02/2018 12:03

mentioned in another thread but an unashamedly pro-human (and implicitly womens) rights story on BBC ...

I'm wondering what this might mean for other branches of government ....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43140827

The Met Police has lost an appeal at the Supreme Court against two victims of black cab rapist John Worboys who won compensation for its failings.

The women were raped by Worboys in 2003 and 2007 and said their treatment by police, who failed to believe their reports, caused them mental harm.

The ruling means police may face human rights actions whenever they fail to properly investigate serious cases.

^Human rights organisation Liberty said it was a "landmark" ruling.
One of the victims, DSD, who was the first of Worboys' victims to make a complaint to the police in 2003, said: "It has been an emotional day. Fifteen years."^

Referring to the police, she added: "Had you done your job properly, there wouldn't be 105 victims, there would be one. "I can take the one. I can't take the 105."

Her lawyer Harriet Wistrich said: "It's a very, very important judgment - very important for vindicating the rights of my two clients but also for the other victims of Worboys."

The women are also separately pursuing a judicial review of the Parole Board's decision to release Worboys.

Worboys was able to continue to attack women until he was convicted of 19 offences in 2009, when he was ordered to serve at least eight years in jail.

The Met believe he may have carried out more than 100 rapes and sexual assaults on women in London between 2002 and 2008.

The ruling is highly significant for both victims of serious violent crime and for the police forces that investigate it. It means that if a police force conducts an investigation into the crime which fails in a way which is deemed sufficiently serious, it will be liable to a human rights action brought by the victim.

Successful claims will result in compensation to the victims. The ruling means that there is an additional rigour placed on police forces to ensure they properly investigate violent crime.

The 2010 report by the Independent Police Complaints Commission disclosed many serious failings in the police investigation in Worboys.

So the ruling is likely to lead to more claims by his victims.

However there will be many other victims of violent crime who feel that they were let down by serious police failings, who will now want to consider bringing claims for breach of their human rights.

The women brought their claims under article three of the Human Rights Act - the right not to be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment.

Until then, police could not be found to be negligent for generally failing to identify and apprehend an unknown suspect.

The police appealed, arguing that its duty was fulfilled simply by having practices and procedures to investigate in place, although it was agreed that the damages awarded to the women would not be recouped if the appeal succeeded.

LucheroTena · 21/02/2018 12:03

There is no way they will be able to spin to the electorate that crashing the economy through this is the fault of remainers. Last year when they lost their majority the conservatives were already on shaky ground. Compounded by obvious squabbling and incompetence ever since. After 8 or so years of austerity and most people still suffering, another crash will finish them.
The only reason labour haven’t been able to capitalise on this is because of the unfathomable position of Corbyn clinging on. Gutting that they haven’t been able to replace him with a moderate, articulate leader.

DGRossetti · 21/02/2018 12:05

There is no way they will be able to spin to the electorate that crashing the economy through this is the fault of remainers

Never say never ... ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE &c.

LucheroTena · 21/02/2018 12:07

I think people are finally getting wise to all that shit. ‘Strong and stable’ didn’t fall anyone, did it?