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Westminstenders: Blue Passports

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RedToothBrush · 22/12/2017 14:57

Yay for the blue passports.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all

May next year bring us £350 million for the NHS, cake, unicorns, financial passporting, access to the single market, Irish love and of course control to the people.

(Apologies been up to my eyeballs. Normal service will resume after Christmas).

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woman11017 · 22/12/2017 22:34

Even DT is making fun of them.
This has a whiff of her lost landslide moment again.

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20nil · 22/12/2017 22:37

Happy Xmas all and huge thanks to RTB.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/12/2017 22:50

IMF managing director Christine Lagarde said in London this week that the 2016 prediction was right to say that leaving the European Union

“would most likely entail a depreciation of sterling, an increase of inflation, a squeezing of wages and disposable income and a slowdown, and probably reduction, of investment.”

Brexiters are unwise to keep attacking the IMF - the UK may need to call on its help when the Brexshit hits the fan

BigChocFrenzy · 22/12/2017 23:08

Excellent background explaining the impulse to the EU and Britain's slide

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-tragedy-of-brexituss_59b7e0a0e4b08f6632c076f3

At the end of the Second World War, Europeans found themselves standing amidst the smoldering rubble of Western Civilization.

Two world wars within 30 years, from 1914 to 1945, had effectively burnt Europe to the ground.

Nearly 100 million people had been killed in those two conflagrations, which spanned but a single lifetime;
the great cities of Europe had been reduced to rubble and the world’s most powerful economies had been shattered.

< it's what let the USA take over & become the dominant world power, setting its economic course & values >

For more than 1,500 years, the nations of Europe had regularly made war on one another
― the French vs. the British, the Germans vs. the French, the Austrians vs. the French, the Russians vs. the Germans, and so on.
1,500 years of hatred and endless fighting.

But in the ruins of 1945, the nations of Europe, with great courage, said “never again” and meant it.
From this, by an act of willpower, they forged what became the EU.

Now, some 70 years later, pretty much everyone with a memory of those horrors is dead,
and shock and disgust that propelled them to find a new way to live is but a fading memory.

The EU was not perfect, but it was infinitely preferable to the 1,500-year history that had preceded it.

But now, Britain, in a singular moment of fear, driven by lies, has opted to walk away from that unique monument to a new world.
That in itself is a tragedy.

But the tragedy for Britain goes further.
For nearly 200 years, and certainly from 1815 to 1914, Britain effectively ran the world.

The British Pound was singularly the most powerful currency on the planet.
Britain ran an astonishing one fourth of the world’s land surface.
The British military was the most powerful and effective armed forced on earth.
The term Pax Britannia meant something.
Britain and the British knew who they were, and so did the rest of the world.

But by Suez in 1956, that Britain was dead and gone.

And what would replace it?
How does the world’s greatest empire re-invent itself?

It took a few faint-hearted stabs ― The Commonwealth... Cool Britannia... New Labour...
Nothing really seemed to fit.

But within the EU, London emerged as the financial capital not just of Europe, a massive union of more than 300 million people;
a worthy competitor to the power of the United States,
but also as the financial capital of the world.

And London was not just the financial capital,
for along with that, it was in many ways the intellectual, creative, military and perhaps even moral capital of the new Europe.

Brussels may have housed the bureaucrats, but London and Britain housed the power and the future.

Then, in one moment, by a very tiny minority, the British people voted to throw the whole thing away.

It was, I think, a moment of madness,
ill conceived and ill thought out,
driven more than anything else by endless news videos of streams of Syrian and other muslim refugees making their way across Europe.

While this had nothing to do with Britain’s long-standing relationship with the EU,
it was a fear that drove a moment of xenophobia, compounded by the cynicism of Boris Johnson.

The British people voted to walk away from a bright and limitless future
and retreat to becoming a small disconnected country hanging on the edge of Europe,^^
but no longer a part of it.

One moment’s mistake that will unwind not just the past but the future as well.

lonelyplanetmum · 22/12/2017 23:08

On the bloody passport thing. Is there any reason why you couldn't have 2 colours and tick blue or burgundy when you apply?

HashiAsLarry · 22/12/2017 23:09

All the passport talk on twitter tonight seems to be that they were not blue, but black. I always remember my DFs as being black, never blue. I suppose its one of those dark dark blues that looks black. I suppose the sell for a black passport would be harder to those who are fussed by colour.

twofingerstoEverything · 22/12/2017 23:14

Gin Halo Star Halo Gin
Wink Happy Christmas everyone!

AgnesSkinner · 22/12/2017 23:34

I dug out our old passports from the 1980s - if they are blue then it is such a dark blue that it virtually black.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/12/2017 23:35

One Brexit impact the govt already knows: E27 workers in the UK

Net immigration in the year June 2016 - June 2017 fell by a record 106,000,.
Nearly 80% of the fall was from the E27.

In the short term at least - the next 5 years or so - the sudden drop may cause significant problems.
I've posted before about the high % of specialist surgeons and other doctors who come from the E27, other NHS staff & care workers.
I suppose they will be replaced by more staff from developing countries like India, Pakistan, the Philippines.

Paul Drechsler, CBI president listed industries including construction, health care and agriculture as areas for concern.

“This is not a great time of year, because people go home and they think about the future
If the future is: ‘I’m repatriating 20 percent less than I was a year ago because of the exchange rate,’
or ‘I might be out of a job in 12 months,’

they will make those sort of choices” - to leave.
That is happening at a steady pace"

Stephen Phipson, chief executive officer of the manufacturing group EEF:

About 11 % of Britain’s manufacturing labor comes from EU countries.
“The fear was they’ll be going back for Christmas, and are they going to turn up again for work in January?”

Hence May saying the UK wanted the 1 million Polish workers in the Uk to stay

  • but her new best bud, the far-right Polish PM, wants them all to return to Poland, where the economy is now booming.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-22/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-my-eu-workers-back-says-u-k-plc

BigChocFrenzy · 23/12/2017 00:02

Blue passport for slower travel ?

The govt should be concentrating on avoiding longer queues, whatever the colour of a UK passport is

  • are people more concerned about the colour, than their holiday / business travel time wasted in queues ?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/22/blue-british-passports-could-mean-travel-delays-extra-paperwork

A senior EU official said that
“depending on how negotiations go on all free movement issues after Brexit”

there was a significant risk that British passport holders would lose the right to use a fast-track citizens lane when travelling on the continent
and may also be obliged to use a new visa waiver scheme.

The EU travel information and authorisation systemm^ (Etias) is modeled on the US Esta schemee^
and could require British travellers to Europe to register in advance and make a small administrative payment.

Peer:
“We will also still have to go through the slow lane even if we have non-expired [burgundy] passports. It may not be vastly more difficult, but it will be somewhat more difficult.

OliviaD68 · 23/12/2017 00:11

They were black.

But who cares???

It's a diversion away from the Brexit train wreck. Canada FTA and no Irish border. Want to see how lyin' May gets that one away...

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BigChocFrenzy · 23/12/2017 00:16

Great photo of the E27 NHS staff who worked on this journalist's son Xmas Smile

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/22/nhs-hope-bleak-times-brexit

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Corcory · 23/12/2017 00:17

They were dark navy blue. I've got my old one in a drawer.

OliviaD68 · 23/12/2017 00:22

@Corcory

Be happy with your blue passport then.

While our economy tanks and people suffer.

GinsAndTonic · 23/12/2017 01:22

It was, I think, a moment of madness, ill conceived and ill thought out, driven more than anything else by endless news videos of streams of Syrian and other muslim refugees making their way across Europe.

While this had nothing to do with Britain’s long-standing relationship with the EU, it was a fear that drove a moment of xenophobia, compounded by the cynicism of Boris Johnson.

Imagine if the EU and Merkel had actually policed the EU's external borders as they are required to do, instead of permitting their total collapse for the entire year running up to the Brexit vote? What if opening those borders to millions without the express consent of European electorates hadn't been the default policy? What if that "moment of madness" hadn't happened?

No far right upsurge across the continent, no Brexit, and perhaps even no Trump.

Thanks a lot, Angela!

prettybird · 23/12/2017 01:26

Wonderful. So now it is the EU's fault that it doesn't have an army or police force with which to police its external borders. HmmConfused

GinsAndTonic · 23/12/2017 01:34

No - individual countries of the EU, Germany foremost among them, but certainly not alone, chose not to enforce their own borders and thus subverted the EU's external border controls. Entirely their choice, and their responsibility.

GinsAndTonic · 23/12/2017 01:38

Try answering my point - do you think Leave's tiny 2% margin might have been swayed to vote Remain had it not appeared over an entire year that we were being asked to stay in an EU that had deliberately abandoned external border controls? You know in your heart that it's true. Of all the dozens of factors that contributed to Brexit, Merkel's insane decision pushed that final slice of voters over the edge.

MsHooliesCardigan · 23/12/2017 02:57

BigChoc That Guardian article actually brought tears to my eyes. All my children were born at Kings College hospital which is one of the leading centres of the world for obstetrics and now has an entire centre dedicated to prenatal medicine.
My daughter is only here because of a research project they were doing that discovered at my 23 scan that I was 7cm dilated and could have gone into labour at any minute.
They basically had to push my waters back in and put an emergency cervical suture in. I was told that there was a 10-15% chance that doing this could rupture my waters which would mean that she would have to be delivered and that they didn’t resuscitate babies born before 24 weeks.
I don’t think that a single professional that I dealt with was UK born.The doctor that actually did the operation was Italian and came in to see me the next day on his day off to see how I was doing and also paid me a random visit after DD was born at full term weighing just over 9lbs.
I really cannot bear reading/hearing about the 2012 Olympics. I’m in London and remember watching Mo Farah win the double by a giant screen by Tower Bridge and everyone just erupting and just hugging complete strangers. It feels like a 100 years ago. God, I’m depressing myself.
Cat I totally agree that your post about grooming was so insightful.

HashiAsLarry · 23/12/2017 07:02

I love how the EU are to blame for not enforcing their borders whilst simultaneously to blame for enforcing their borders. They'll be blamed for anything and everything won't they?

woman11017 · 23/12/2017 07:10

I was never more proud of the EU project than when Merkel chose to follow her heart and prevent a million poor souls being drowned in the Med escaping from a war that britain was in many ways responsible for.

Many many EU people feel the same way.

That's why despite all the funding, trolls and grooming of children by the torykip/FN/AFD right has failed across the EU28. Including us.

Testimony to the power of humanity; the far right's worst enemy.

Mystripeywellies · 23/12/2017 07:23

Of all the dozens of factors that contributed to Brexit, Merkel's insane decision pushed that final slice of voters over the edge.

Oh that's so sweet, bless.

And there I was thinking that despicable slime balls Farage, BOJO and team Leave fed that xenophobic narrative to the gullible British public.

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woman11017 · 23/12/2017 07:39

Thanks for posting those stripeywellies
These evil HO messages on vans were from way back in 2013.
Many many thousands on the 'Stand Up to Racism' march early last year. Funny that. Another one coming up in March 2018. Smile

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HesterThrale · 23/12/2017 08:21

Arron Banks faces a huge tax bill on his Leave donation:

Entrepreneurs who supported Brexit have complained of “outrageous” tax bills for their contributions to the Leave campaign. Donations to political parties, charities and other bodies are usually deemed exempt from tax but HM Revenue and Customs has ruled that payments from individuals to referendum campaigns are liable. Among those who have been asked to pay six or seven-figure sums are Lord Edmiston, who donated £1 million, the banker Peter Cruddas and the former Ukip donor Arron Banks who gave £8.1 million to the unofficial Leave.EU campaign and faces a £2 million bill. Demands were sent in the past fortnight, The Daily Telegraph reported.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-donors-furious-at-huge-tax-bills-z2lzrz5jb

annandale · 23/12/2017 08:23

Gins - millions? Of what?

Refugees. REFUGEES. From a war zone. Let's remember that if we ever have another civil war in the UK.

I think there were a few Leavers who voted in disgust that the EU wasn't letting enough in actually.

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