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Westminstenders: Blue Passports

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RedToothBrush · 22/12/2017 14:57

Yay for the blue passports.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all

May next year bring us £350 million for the NHS, cake, unicorns, financial passporting, access to the single market, Irish love and of course control to the people.

(Apologies been up to my eyeballs. Normal service will resume after Christmas).

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woman11017 · 30/12/2017 15:50

Having said all that, spirits are high amongst the #FBPE tweeps. Worth a look even if you're not on twitter.

In the face of online noodlery,(industrial scale trolling), and attempts to divide labour and lib dems stop brexitters, they've gone all mums net and started posting cake and pie recipes and pictures, it's quite jolly. Cakes do solve so many problems.

MsHooliesCardigan · 30/12/2017 16:00

Sorry to be dim but what is FBPE?

QuestaVecchiaCasa · 30/12/2017 16:20

Sorry to be dim but what is FBPE?

FBPE = Follow Back Pro European.

I've just dipped my toe gingerly into twitter but from what I can understand, people put it in their Twitter name and then "follow" others with the same hashtag. It helps to identify other remainers with the idea of building a supportive community.

Check out Mike Galsworthy on twitter - he's done some videos.

pointythings · 30/12/2017 16:30

So with this calorie thing do we think we are being softened up for rationing?

woman11017 · 30/12/2017 16:30

Here you go MrsHoolies he's from Scientists for the EU and wants a non partisan friendly to leavers, tories, lib dems and labour alike Pro EU online community using the hashtag, thanks QuestaVecchiaCasa

www.pscp.tv/w/1mrxmZvQRqNKy

prettybird · 30/12/2017 16:42

Cakes, tablet, recipes and gardening tips FlowersCake. Lethal to trolls does not compute, does not compute WinkGrin

MsHooliesCardigan · 30/12/2017 17:20

Thanks woman Flowers

BiglyBadgers · 30/12/2017 17:25

So with this calorie thing do we think we are being softened up for rationing?

Hah, I think it's just that most people in this country now lead relatively sedentary lifestyles so the 2k calories is too much. 1800 is about right when you aren't really doing much exercise all day. The guidelines have just caught up with the change in lifestyle. At least that's my understanding, I am not an expert on the matter I confess.

RedToothBrush · 30/12/2017 17:37

Tbh I suspect that 1800 calories for women is nearer the mark for many than 2000. It's a reflection of a changing lifestyle.

2000 calories per day is way over what I need. It's easier to increase from a basic intake on the basis of being bigger or being more active than the reverse. Just add a bread roll or another side or desert.

For context, if you do an individual calculation for my height and weight (I'm a health BMI 5' 2" and currently 8stone 4). I think my recommended calorie intake 1400 for little to no exercise. For moderate exercise it comes in at 1700 calories per day and it's only very heavy exercise that puts me at 2100 calories per day.

I probably clock in as needing around 1500 to 1600 most days in reality. I do consciously think about it now though I don't actively calorie count.

1400 calories a day is actually pretty difficult to do if you eat a lot of ready meals because the portion sizes are set this average of 2000. By definition of being average, it's really not serving 50% of women to set the average portion based on 2000 calories a day. Psychologically you are taught to finish what's on your plate and it's incredibly difficult to leave food.

I like to use the example of going into McDonalds. What should I order, if I eat three meals a day? Should I have a grown up meal of a quarter pounder meal or should I tuck into a Happy Meal? When I say a quarter pounder meal is roughly 1000 calories whereas a Happy Meal is 500 does it make it easier? Yet over the years the comments and looks I've had for doing it are pretty dreadful. (Socially it can be challenging and I've had snide comments before about it).

I wish restaurants would do a wider range of 'small bites' as a rule tbh. Instead plates just seem to get bigger. I also don't want to eat 'diet food' or 'kids food'. I want the same things just in a more sensible portion size. It's definitely a culturally related thing and standard portion sizes do differ considerably depending on where you live.

The 9 inch plate diet is the only one I adhere to for good reason.

This is why I REALLY don't see anything sinister in this recommendation for this reason. There is some psychology in there, but also some awareness of people who overestimate / exaggerate their exercise and how lifestyles have changed to rely more heavily on ready meals and eating out too. It's an injection of realism imho. People don't cook from scratch as much as they should and it's easier to cut the recommendation of calories than change those habits.

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woman11017 · 30/12/2017 18:05

Smile cake prettybird You're welcome MrsHoolie hope all OK with you. Smile RedToothBrush my diet for the last while had been pringles and quality street so don't quite think I'm in the target audience for sensible eating.

DGRossetti · 30/12/2017 18:25

1400 calories a day is actually pretty difficult to do if you

like a Wine with your meal, and a beer with TV ...

DGRossetti · 30/12/2017 18:25

p.s. a medium cappuccino can have c. 150 calories ....

HashiAsLarry · 30/12/2017 18:44

I agree with rtb that the 2000 average doesn't actually serve most women (nor does 2400 for men either). I'm 5'5 and 9st, I know without exercise I should be eating just under 1600. Having a restricted diet for medical reasons actually helps as its hard to eat out. I am pretty active though so can afford a Wine or Gin here and there.

Having said that I'm currently full to the brim with Haribo, and definitely well over 1600 most days since just before Christmas
today. Oh well, the diet starts afresh on Tuesday.

HashiAsLarry · 30/12/2017 18:45

That should probably say I was 9st before Christmas. I highly doubt I'm 9st now Halo

RedToothBrush · 30/12/2017 19:11

I like beer and wine. And chocolate.

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BiglyBadgers · 30/12/2017 19:19

Having a restricted diet for medical reasons actually helps as its hard to eat out

This is the silver lining to my crazy restrictive diet. At least I don't have to worry about putting on weight too much anymore. Today we ended up having lunch out unexpectedly and I foolishly chose something I hadn't tried before. I have barely been able to eat for the rest of the day because my stomach is a mess. I suspect some sneaky garlic. Sad

HashiAsLarry · 30/12/2017 19:55

bigly crazy stomach is awful Flowers

BiglyBadgers · 30/12/2017 20:11

Thanks Hashi, I haven't had an attack this bad for ages as I've got pretty good at avoiding trigger foods. I just got complacent and am now tucked up in bed with my hot water bottle wallowing in self pity. Blush

mathanxiety · 30/12/2017 20:27

Well said, Bigly, wrt interference and what you want from your government - what your government in fact criticises other governments for.

Cailleach - I am not so sure Charlie got what he richly deserved when he was booted into the wilderness of the backbenches in the early 70s. The truth about his personal life and finances only came out years after the Lynch faction sought to destroy his career, and at the centre of Lynch's actions was the question of events in NI.

My dad was a friend of Neil Blaney and heard a lot of speculation during the early and mid 70s about MI5 and MI6 operations in Ireland. There was ample fuel for speculation, not confined to the Littlejohn brothers incident.

thebrokenelbow.com/2014/01/26/mi6-the-spy-in-the-irish-police-force-jack-lynch-and-britain-an-insight-into-ango-irish-relations-a-year-after-bloody-sunday/
The Wyman/Crinnion matter.

This affair did indeed have reverberations in the Garda Siochana (an old neighbour was a retired detective superintendent whose father had been an RIC man, so he wasn't necessarily going to be predisposed to a Republican pov, but he drew a line at the infiltration by the British, and especially at the actions of Crinnion, and had nothing good to say about the Special Criminal Court). There was a good deal of revisiting of old tensions within the Garda forces.

politico.ie/archive/british-spies-irish-parties-claims-former-british-spooks

HesterThrale · 30/12/2017 21:10

A Lord Ashcroft poll on Twitter came out with 67% in favour of a second Ref. But they're not happy with the result so will run it again, according to the comments.

Oh the irony...

mobile.twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/947154054635053056

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 30/12/2017 21:59

Whilst the irony is amusing, a twitter poll is completely uncontrolled.

woman11017 · 30/12/2017 23:01

Nicely done Hester shows how grassroots organisations can mobilise votes, could be useful soon. Worked out well in Alabama.
Has this been posted?

Westminstenders: Blue Passports
BigChocFrenzy · 31/12/2017 00:01

Adonis on Brexit: ‘No mandarin backs May. Government has broken down’

Adonis would be an excellent leader of the Remain grouping, streets ahead of the other candidates for this role

  • He is one of the few politicians around with proven talent, organisational ability and experience in govt
  • who has not deceived the public with sexed-up dossiers or broken major promises < Blair, Clegg both repel a big chunk of voters >
  • He also has a genuine track record of cross-party cooperation

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/30/lord-adonis-resignation-brexit-policy-theresa-may-whitehall-morale-collapsed

“There is very low morale in Whitehall because almost no civil servants agree with the policy of the government.
I do not think there has ever been a period when the civil service has been more disaffected with the government it serves.

It is an open secret that no one will go and work in David Davis’s department [DexEU]
and Liam Fox is regarded as a semi-lunatic.

“What essentially is happening is that a government-in-exile in the Treasury and Foreign Office is waiting for the collapse of the current strategy and the moment when it will have to pick up the pieces.

The tragedy for the country is that unless something dramatic changes, that collapse will not happen until after we have left the EU in March 2019,
whereas it is profoundly important that we understand the crisis that will hit and that we do not leave the EU.”

SwedishEdith · 31/12/2017 00:19

Adonis would be an excellent leader of the Remain grouping, streets ahead of the other candidates for this role

Except he's pissed off a lot of academics.

LineysRunner · 31/12/2017 00:54

Adonis is still somewhat loathed for his education reforms, and his style of working. He drew up New Labour's education policies under the supposed leadership of Ruth Kelly, including proposing the end of new community schools.

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