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Westminstenders: Blue Passports

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RedToothBrush · 22/12/2017 14:57

Yay for the blue passports.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all

May next year bring us £350 million for the NHS, cake, unicorns, financial passporting, access to the single market, Irish love and of course control to the people.

(Apologies been up to my eyeballs. Normal service will resume after Christmas).

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mathanxiety · 31/12/2017 01:52

An interesting 'government in exile' comment there.

lonelyplanetmum · 31/12/2017 08:12

According to another member of a 48% group, Justine Greening (and other Tory MPs?) disseminated an "update on Brexit" letter from the PM. This was apparently widely distributed on the 13 th of December?

Has this already been posted on here? Has anyone seen it? What an inappropriate way of using Christmas to plug a divisive message if so.

lonelyplanetmum · 31/12/2017 08:14

P.S. And a Happy New Year to everyone on here personally, and at least some small glimmers of a better New Year politically.

Even though it is so disheartening most of the time, never give up!

thecatfromjapan · 31/12/2017 08:24

Yes, Happy New Year.

This last year has been quite grim. I have felt, at times, as though the future that I worked towards, and which I welcomed, has been/is being, systematically destroyed by people who have a. a quite dangerous and unpleasant future planned for many of us b. have no real grasp of the consequences of their actions.

I truly wish joy, strength, and - importantly - hope for all those of us with a different vision in this coming year. May it bring these things to all of you.

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 31/12/2017 08:40

The next twelve months will be interesting, that’s for sure. I’m cautiously optimistic (more so than the bookies, though) that it’ll all turn out ok in the end. I’d settle for SM+CU but I’d put a fiver on Remain...

HNYTYA.

BiglyBadgers · 31/12/2017 08:51

Adonis wouldn't be my first choice as a remain leader for sure, but I'd take him if he could pull people from both sides together. It may be that because he has worked with the Tories he could be a useful bridge between the two parties.

woman11017 · 31/12/2017 08:56

@LordCFalconer
Lots of sniping from No 10 about Adonis personally. Nothing on Brexit or rail issues he raised in resignation letter. The PM always conveys through her spokespeople or personally a total lack of confidence in her case. Does she appear like that in Brexit negotiations?

Wonder if Teresa is on MN? Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 31/12/2017 09:06

My opinion: 2017 was the year that fascism was normalised, especially by Trump
or more exactly by Trump and the whole US collection of far right oligarchs and White Supremacists to whom he has given free rein and mainstream status

The EU ref last June gave a morale boost to Trump supporters in a very close fight. It also empowered the hard right on the continent.
However, even in Europe, it has been the change in US policy direction towards the far right that has been crucial - and that only really took off after Trump's inauguration, taking over the reins of power their.

Trump's rise to power has been crucial in the rise of fascism not just in the USA, but in the Uk and some of the E27:

Since WW2, all previous US Presidents, whether Democrat or Republican, were reliable allies against fascism rising again in Europe, because they viewed fascism here as being against US interests

Now, instead of POTUS being part of the European firewall against fascism, Trump is pouring petrol on the flames and praising fascist leaders

and unfortunately, some Brexit Ultras, both politicians and media oligarchs, are doing the same

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-on-2017-the-year-weird-became-the-new-normal-1.3328922

… [Trump’s inauguration] was followed by blatant lying:

Sean Spicer’s brazen claims, as White House spokesman,
not just that Trump had attracted “the largest audience ever to witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe”

but also that mainstream media had doctored photographic and film evidence to hide this truth.

At the time these strange moments seemed mostly to function as evidence of gauche amateurism.
But they were in fact harbingers of the arrival of the methodologies of the far right at the centre of global power.

The idea that everything is hellish and that only the great leader can fix it is standard fascist rhetoric.

So is the message that the independent media lies about everything and that the faithful must look to the leader
to provide what Trump’s counsellor Kellyanne Conwayy^, defending Spicer’s claims, called “alternative facts”.

It was a short step from there to Trump’s deliberate normalisation of neo-Nazis.

In August he condemned “both sides” for violence in Charlottesville, Virginia,
in which an anti-fascist demonstrator was murdered,
and claimed that “very fine people” were among the white supremacists.

In November he retweeted faked-up anti-Islam videos concocted by a tiny English neo-Nazi outfit
– and hit out at Theresa May, the British prime minister, when she condemned him for doing so.

^^

All of this had a purpose: to bring far-right extremism in from the cold, to make it part of the normal discourse in which “both sides” take part.

The defeat of Roy Moore in Alabama may be remarkable
– but less remarkable than the fact that
48 per cent of voters (and 63 per cent of white women) still backed a man who was credibly accused of sexual assaults on children and teenagers

Moore was so egregiously repellent a candidate that it is not hard for any far-right demagogue to seem more “normal” by comparison.

mrsreynolds · 31/12/2017 09:36

Happy new year to you all ❤

I am not hopeful but would be delighted to be proved wrong

RESIST ✊

lonelyplanetmum · 31/12/2017 10:33

I just read the text of TMs New Year message.

"Because whichever way you voted in the referendum, most people just want the government to get on and deliver a good Brexit, and that’s exactly what we are doing."

This riles me because actually that is NOT what you are doing, and it is no longer what most people want (and in fact never was).

lonelyplanetmum · 31/12/2017 10:42

And OMG is this fake news? Admittedly popped up from the Mail on Sunday so I'm not linking.
A ‘Special Volunteer Force’ is being trialled with 50 members to police our borders at isolated marinas, harbours and airfields with no powers to interrogate or arrest.

LineysRumBaba · 31/12/2017 10:44

It's on the Guardian website as well!

lonelyplanetmum · 31/12/2017 10:56

Yes seems real news. Dover MP Charlie Elphicke said: “Border security is a skilled job, which takes many years of training. I would urge great caution before seeking to adopt a model like that used by the police, with special constables. We can’t have a Dad’s Army-type of set-up.”

All this does is reignite the ' coming to take us over brigade' which obscured the needs, realities and benefits of EU migration.

The thing is- if there's a significant problem with illegal immigration. Which I don't think there's evidence of, then there would have been the resources to manage it correctly, if all public services hadn't been slashed in the way they have.

prettybird · 31/12/2017 10:57

It was on the BBC (R2) news as well Hmm

So not fake news Angry

DGRossetti · 31/12/2017 11:03

Since WW2, all previous US Presidents, whether Democrat or Republican, were reliable allies against fascism rising again in Europe, because they viewed fascism here as being against US interests

But bear in mind there were quite a few were enthusiastic US supporters of fascism in Germany before WW2. And remember what self serving spin a certain Joseph Kennedy (ambassador to the Court of St. James) was putting on his reports back to POTUS.

I know it's probably unpopular to say. But I have never trusted America to do the right thing. In general, UK premiers who trust American presidents come unstuck sooner or later.

RedToothBrush · 31/12/2017 11:08

A volunteer lynch mob to get illegal immigrants?

Whoopie.

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lonelyplanetmum · 31/12/2017 11:12

Just hope the volunteers aren't part of the capital punishment brigade too.

Incidentally did I say that the last Yougov survey I completed (yesterday) asked for views on bringing back capital punishment for extreme cases?

What's that? sniffing around for vote winning manifestos?

lonelyplanetmum · 31/12/2017 11:16

I suppose, in a bizarre way, the black passports and Dad's army border control could be a 'look you wanted control of the borders' you can now volunteer to do that in person.

That perhaps leaves a door open for an EU membership in all but name?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/12/2017 11:20

It is genuinely shocking. Could they not do something less vigilante and volunteer to pick fruit instead?

Brexit Secretary David Davis hints UK may never leave the EU

metro.co.uk/2017/12/31/brexit-secretary-david-davis-hints-uk-may-never-leave-the-eu-7193280/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

thecatfromjapan · 31/12/2017 11:24

lonely That is a fear of mine. You know that poster who popped in to ask what we could offer to the 'disenfranchised Leave voters'? My first thought was: "The promise of bringing back the death penalty; the promise of making divorce more difficult; repealing equalities legislation; etc." Guaranteed to capture the Kippy-vote, Labour or Conservative-leaning. I was too depressed thinking all that to post it, though.

BigChoc Yes. 2017 has been a year that genuinely shocked me. I honestly never thought I'd see this normalisation in my lifetime.

The volunteers, the blue passports, the constantly being told that 'We want this Brexit shambles in the face of all evidence to the contrary - I just feel gaslighted (to use a very MN term).

It's amazing how powerful it felt to read Adonis' letter. Having reality affirmed by an authoritative figure is affirming. It makes me realise how very powerful the opposite situation is: having reality falsified by authority figures. Which is, I guess, why so much effort is being expended on doing this.

Resist indeed.

BigChocFrenzy · 31/12/2017 11:41

We need to stop this
Volunteers are great for helping people, NOT for monitoring them - the latter can be very sinister,
especially when done by a different ethnic / religious group to those they are monitoring

I'd be worried over something like the Blackshirts (which the Daily Heil owners supported in the 1930s) or the Ulster Volunteer Force developing

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lalalonglegs · 31/12/2017 11:41

Thanks for the link, Pain. I wonder what forthcoming scenarios during the next few months of negotiations that DD has glimpsed to make him say that Brexit is less likely?

thecatfromjapan · 31/12/2017 11:44

You're right, BigChoc. Sad

thecatfromjapan · 31/12/2017 11:47

Perhaps it's just busywork - to keep the fucker-uppers distracted? Totally agree with Pain - they'd be better utilised picking strawberries (but I suspect that's too skilled and laborious for the sort of idiots they have in mind).

Utterly, utterly inappropriate.

And the fact that it is being flown as a half-way serious plan is yet another indication of how extraordinarily dysfunctional the UK has become, in a very short space of time.

annandale · 31/12/2017 11:51

OK if I'm honest I don't think the volunteers are the worst idea ever. I feel pretty sure that our vast coastline is fairly insecure, though much more for untaxed fags and other organised crime income streams than terrorism or even people smuggling. I think somebody with official status but no significant powers going to eyeball deserted but accessible coastal points isn't a terrible thought.