A question to all those that voted leave

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A question to all those that voted leave

I’m not expecting Brexit to go well. It may go well and all the remainers can then feel very silly about their apocalyptic predictions, which I hope is the case. The fact remains that nobody really knows how things are going to pan out. I’m open to being happily surprised by the wonderful future that the brexiters envisage.

What I want to know is, IF things aren’t brilliant after Brexit and your lives are the same or even worse than they were before, you have less money than you did before and life is even harder, more complicated and you have less human rights than ever, then who will you blame?

You won’t be able to blame the EU as they will no longer be your evil overlords. You won’t be able to blame immigrants because many of them will either have left of their own accord or been forced to leave. You won’t be able to blame remainers, because they never wanted any of this in the first place, and warned against it.

Will you blame yourselves? Will you blame the government of the day or a previous government? Will you blame another minority group?

I’m just wondering so I can prepare myself fully for the next attempt to scapegoat.

The EU didn't make British industry disappear, Margaret Thatcher made British industry disappear!

You mean she stopped subsidising industry that wasn't sufficiently industrious to survive on its own?

You mean she stopped subsidising industry that wasn't sufficiently industrious to survive on its own?

Well, if you take that view you can't complain that our homes are full of stuff made in other countries by foreign firms!

Incidentally how has the sell off of utilities helped the consumer?

Why would I complain? I love imports.

I am an import myself

I take it you are too young to remember the whole power shutting off regularly thing?

The elephant in the room was that being in the EU made little difference to most people until the mid 2000s and incredibly high numbers of immigrants from Eastern Europe impacted on many people, and for many people, that wasn't a positive impact.

That's a neutral observation, incidentally. But I do think it is one that needs to be made.

Ghost, I think unemployment shortages may depend on where you live/the specific industry.

Why would I complain? I love imports.

Shame Brexit is making them more expensive.

I take it you are too young to remember the whole power shutting off regularly thing?

but old enough to remember fuel poverty.

Not necessarily. the majority of imports I consume come from outside the EU so I'm not fussed.

Ghost, I think unemployment shortages may depend on where you live/the specific industry

Areas with less prospects/opportunities and low immigration vote leave

Areas with better prospects/opportunities and higher immigration vote remain.

Go figure.

The slaughter of British industry was a political weapon. Yes it had to change, it would have reformed but it was not allowed to. Why...most of the people employed in those industries would never have voted Tory.

Not necessarily. the majority of imports I consume come from outside the EU so I'm not fussed.

still more expensive.

The EU will get blamed because they weren't thinking "creatively" enough. The EU was always out to punish Britain (for XYZ reasons) and things only went wrong in Brexit b/c the EU wanted to hurt Britain. This is proof of EU power-hungry-madness, & why UK didn't want to stay members of their Poxy club, no matter what.

(slaps self, I know you were asking only Leavers to reply, but this is what I am sure I'll be hearing a lot of post-Brexit).

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Unfortunately I think you are correct.

Well, the EU does want to punish Britain. Or more to the point, it wants to deter any other member state from leaving, so will do whatever they can to make it more trouble than it's worth.

Even allowing that EU was set up to create massive deterrence to prevent France & Germany going to war again**, I still disagree, Wanna. I don't think EU wants to punish Britain or make Brexit so bad that no other country dare leave.

EU is a club. There are benefits to being in the club. But you have to pay membership fees & follow club rules. We didn't like the rules or the fees, & chose to leave the club. So we lose the benefits. I can't see the situation any other way.

We aren't going to agree, though, so I can't see the point of discussing further.

Ghost, maybe if you live in a place with few industries/opportunities, even relatively limited immigration has an effect on employment, esp if those workers can do the jobs for less because they have fewer outgoings than people living here and paying mortgages etc. I guess in more prosperous places there is enough work so it matters less. And the businesses are located in those prosperous areas are the ones who benefit from EU workers so of course they want to remain.

IWANNA,
Leaving the EU is not going to help these areas. More social deprivation and an out of control UK government with little checks and a lances are the only outcome.

Engineer - why on earth do you think the government will be 'out of control' with no checks and balances? Do you honestly think that the EU is there to keep our government under control?
We have been doing just fine without the EU and it's courts for hundreds of years, in fact our democracy has been the envy of many for countless years. I think we will do just fine on that score thank you.

In my community the older members remember they all had jobs, their family all had jobs.

In the communities I grew up in - one in Wales and later near the Potterires, the War brought work to people, which continued into the early 1950s. By the late 50s the textile firms started to lose out to foreign competition - mostly Asian, then later the steel works and pottery industries started to collapse. All of these happened before we were in the EEC, and long before the EU came into being.

So I don't doubt that those people remember that they had jobs, but I suspect that many haven't stopped to think that the job loses started before we were in the EEC.

I take it you are too young to remember the whole power shutting off regularly thing?

I'm not. Before anyone uses that to bash Labour, who I don't support as it happens, this happened under Ted Heath's Tory Government.

The EU will get blamed because they weren't thinking "creatively" enough.
In the same way that the current Tory Govt is trying to still blame Labour for problems. Eh? You have had 7 years to sort things out, so why haven't you begun to do so?

EU didn't cause the death of the British coal industry.

why on earth do you think the government will be 'out of control' with no checks and balances?

Are they in control now? With a minority Tory government which is only in a minority because of a PM calling an unnecessary election, with a view to destroying Labour, and finding it backfire spectacularly? With Boris Johnson as a Foreign Secretary? With a Govt desperate to use Henry VIII measures - which although they hope to be in power for ever, could easily backfire on them when some other party gets into power and finds Henry VIII measures very handy?

Engineer stated that being out of control would be as a result of leaving the EU Peregrina. That's the context in which I answered .

Who will people blame? Well, the country won't be being run by unelected bureaucrats any more, so I guess we will have to blame whoever wins the next general election.