Rumour has it, some remainers are a little glum.....

[Carolinesbeanies]

So in the spirit of sharing our deluded brexiteer cheerfulness, heres a round up of some of this weeks good news.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-5040279/UK-exports-booming-outside-Europe.html

http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/london-news/big-boost-world-bank-ranks-uk-seventh-in-its-doing-business-report/18554.article

https://global.handelsblatt.com/politics/world-trade-makes-a-comeback-845798/amp

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-volkswagen/vw-explores-uk-banking-licence-ahead-of-brexit-idUKKBN1D22KR

The government have 'found' £60billion to put is a slush fund for brexit.

https://amp.ft.com/content/f3271ac7-7439-319f-ba90-9252f59aafee

And in the week that saw the interest rate rise, the Bank of England said gloomily "as migration tightens, we will see wage growth". Note the 'we will'.

Excellent. All this whilst the media obsess over impotent politicians as Britain works.

Sorry that should be accepted.

Nice to know that Leaver policy is to blame all the shit that happens on Remainers not warning people.

For clarity, I am but one poster on MN who happened to vote to leave the EU.

I am not, nor ever have been, a spokesperson for Leave or involved in any way with the Leave campaign.

I do not represent all Leavers, and I have never purported to, therefore ‘Leaver policy’ is a nonsensical assertion to make based on my posts.

There is a ridiculous level of hyperbole levelled at Leave voters, by Remain stalwarts, on MN Ref threads and it’s tedious.

It was tedious in June last year, and it remains tedious.

Would it really, truly, physically pain you to not be so obnoxious towards people who merely have a different viewpoint to you?

Calling me ‘deluded’ is offensive, and holding me personally responsible for NI is ludicrous.

Nobody highlighted the NI issue enough. Thing is - if Remain had done so, there would have been shouts of 'Project Fear'.

And I have a problem with people who say 'well, it wasn't for the Leave campaign to mention potential issues with NI because it would have scuppered their chances'. Yes, it would have scuppered Leave if the NI issue had been properly brought out into the open and discussed. Remain were cowardly for not doing so. Leave ere liars for not doing so. People on here excusing the Leave campaign not mentioning NI are condoning lies.

Did so.

My take o the N.I. issue pre referendum was that I did hear it queried as a possible problem but that the DUP, who were/are very pro leave said that it would not be a problem and that it would not impinge on the GFA. I really do feel that the remain campaign went about things in a very bad way in that they really didn't emphasis the positives about the EU or the possible problems and certainly no one really concentrated on how this might affect NI other wise, surely far fewer people in NI would have voted leave.
I am just a normal MN leave voter who is interested in politics. But apparently I have to be able to come up with a solution to the NI problem in order to satisfy Bear!!
I had felt that the technology idea was the best one for the border, however I am now not so sure now having heard from a poster on here how that could pan out.

apparently I have to be able to come up with a solution to the NI problem

No, it would just be nice if you had some notion of what you were actually voting for.

Ok, getting back to original topic here’s some more good news

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41958801

The DUP said it was ok so that was good enough. This speaks volumes about understanding the NI situation.

Environmental protections? From the party that wanted to sell off woodland, supports fracking and fox hunting.

If Leavers want to kid themselves that it’s all brilliant then fine. Remain voters on this thread have been accused of not telling them in advance of all the potential problems because we are all lazy liars or something.
Told you then . Reserve the right to keep telling you now.
Not hearing more than Pollyanna- esque jolly fun from Leave posters on here.

People on here excusing the Leave campaign not mentioning NI are condoning lies.

Ffs.

I’m not ‘condoning’ anything, I’m just stating the obvious.

They didn’t mention it because it would have affected their ultimate aim.
Why on earth would the people campaigning for Leave take pains to point out the negatives?
Did the Remain campaign discuss the negatives of remaining?
(They couldn’t even articulate the positives of remaining to any reasonable effect tbh).

This is practised politicians we’re talking about, not altruistic philanthropists.

The onus was on the Remain campaign to make their case - they didn’t do it.
The Remain campaign was backed by very high level, powerful people & we are constantly reminded how the ‘experts’ backed Leave.
Surely it wasn’t too much of a stretch for all these clever, educated, respected experts to state their case clearly and accurately?

The failure of the Remain campaign is squarely the responsibility of the Remain campaign, no one else.

& we are constantly reminded how the ‘experts’ backed Leave.

🤣🤣

Obvs I meant ‘Remain’ not ‘Leave’ in that sentence....!!

Shhh - you may scoff as much as you like but I do not live in NI, I only have my memories of the troubles to go by so if a party in NI says that they feel that there is a solution to the border problem then I feel justified in thinking they have done their homework. Where were you shouting from the roof tops that it wasn't going to be OK? Where were all you remainers on MN who knew all there is to know about NI politics pre referendum, telling us all why it wouldn't work in your view? No where. So don't bother scoffing at me suggesting I didn't do my homework.

I was shouting. I know a bit of my stuff. You weren’t listening.
If it all works, then brilliant. I will admit I was wrong.
If it goes wrong, don’t blame me.

After my weekend of reflection, I realised how easy it would be for me to take a cheap shot at the privileged millenial author (an important distinction, as opposed to the millions of under-privileged millenials) of the Independants 'Poppy' headline. But thats not very cheery. So in the spirit of moving forward, I will say this, and then it'll never be mentioned again. Mr Lubbock, you dont know jack shit.

So catching up on lots of cheeriness

Cant start without mentioning cheery Sir Dyson this morning on Andrew Marr. "The time has come to walk away".

I highlighted this on another thread last week, its worth repeating, for those who like real facts and information. The World Bank published research on the immediate impact of a 'no-deal' situation on the UK, in September. Unsurprisingly, theres been very little publicity. In short, they forsee in the event of a 'no deal', UKs exports to EU will decrease by 2%.

http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/164821505330746382/Short-term-impact-of-Brexit-on-the-United-Kingdoms-export-of-goods

To put that in GDP context, our exports to the EU account for 12.6% of GDP, and a contraction of 2% on that, would impact our total GDP by 0.25%.

What you then also have to look at, is as Sir Dyson mentioned earlier, the existing contraction of the EU (which of course still includes us, though we have expanded non-eu markets to mitigate).

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:ShareoffworldGDP,,2004andd_2014.png

Its a shame eurostat use 3 year old data, but their report states an update will be coming in June 2018. Clearly no rush then.

Other cheery news just rounding up from last week,

http://www.cityam.com/275396/australia-poised-sign-fintech-deal-uk

Cheery folk in Peterlee

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/northeast/zf-to-invest-30m-in-peterlee

Cheery folk in Sheffield.

http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/news/business/made-in-sheffield-abbey-forging-ahead-with-14m-expansion-plans-1-8851151

Heavens, theres even cheery news in Scotland

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15654177.GrowthforrNorthSeaaoildespiteeBrexitfears/?ref=twtrec

Zenoot, who are worth following if youve an interest in manufacturing, highlighted the quater of a million new engineers required, per year, to meet engineering and manufacturing demand. Its fantastic theyre running a recruitment drive and providing 'earn whilst you learn' apprenticeships. A very exciting sector for todays school leavers.

https://zenoot.com/265000-more-skilled-engineers-needed-each-year-in-the-uk/

I also think this piece from Chatham House is worth an airing. Undoing the damage done to agriculture, and re-modeling to a market orientated policy, is not for the faint hearted. Whilst many are running away from anything that looks a teeny bit hard, blinded by an irrational fear of some unknown 'change', the UK will do what the UK has time and time again demonstrated in its history it can do. The hard stuff. Quite simply, because the alternative, to sit quietly and do nothing, is utterly unacceptable.

https://www.chathamhouse.org/publication/implications-brexit-uk-eu-and-global-agricultural-reform-next-decade

So with quite a big cheery week ahead, it was nice to find another supportive German. Hans Olaf Henkel, spoke on LBC today. Im getting rather fond of the Germans

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/matt-frei/eu-official-calls-out-barniers-enormous-arrogance/

Oh and this amused me this evening. Greg Hands, Minister for Trade and Investment, posted this pic this evening from Fulham Road. He wouldnt be taking the piss would he?

taking back control of borders was a key slogan of the leave campaign. Britain has one land border with an EU country and leavers appear to have not known the implications of this. Laughable.

Meant to have a

at Greg Hands

Ooooh, NI.

"It is not going to be possible to fully resolve the Border question until we start to talk about the future relationship that the UK will have with the European Union. There will come a point when it is in our interests to actually start talking about that.”

Leo Varadkar - 9/11/2017

Problem is Caroline the uk does not appear to know what relationship it wants with the eu.

Yes, the thing with the DUP saying Brexit and the GFA are not incompatible, is that the DUP didn't support the signing of GFA. I think a fair few English people didn't know that (who could blame them, since the press are terribly dim about NI issues) and were mollified be their reassurances and then decided definitely to vote leave.

Part of the missing picture is, as I say, that the British press don't have a clue. Remember the Daily Mail cartoon, just after the election, showing Arlene Foster of the DUP swigging away on Guinness? Aside from the offence of the drunken-Irish person trope, there is the compounding offence, to Arlene/Protestant NI folk, of portraying her as Irish when her identity is British.

All MP's who were involved in Leave or Remain campaigns are culpable for not explaining the GFA risk and restrictions to the the electorate. And of them who ignored it for political expediency (on both sides) will have blood on their hands if the ceasefire ends and we return to atrocities like Bloody Sunday and the 1996 Manchester Bombing.
It's interesting to see what will happen now that circumstances are such that people are learning about the island of Ireland, and the differing experiences and allegiances of the two communities, and the strength of feeling within sections of both. What I would love to see happen is that whether people voted leave or remain, they put pressure on the government to make sure that the GFA is not undermined for either part of the north of Ireland community.
(And before someone says "but Somer you are hardly a neutral party" - I'm not. I'm open about wanting a United Ireland. But only if it can be brought about through peaceful means, and under the GFA, working toward a UI was confirmed as a legitimate political aim. It's not in any way incompatible with supporting the GFA.

As a pp said concerns about NI would have been dismissed as project fear

They were indeed Ghost, by the leavers (in England) of my aquaintance. Especially because the type of leave deal the Uk would want was totally unclear at that stage. Everyone who listened for long enough to understand the issues for the GFA, said, "oh but we'll have an EEA Norway type deal which will be fine for the GFA."
And then instantly, before there was any discussion or analysis of what leave voters had actually wanted to achieve, and which of those aims were possible with current treaty obligations (including the GFA!) a hard Brexit was chosen.

Hi Trampire, "I was a Remainer, with a small 'r'. I have long since excepted we're leaving and I like reading some positive stuff. I don't think everything will go our way, but neither do I think it'll be the zombie apocalypse that many people think."

Theres lots of leavers with small 'l's too. I absolutely agree theres no zombie apocalypse coming

Personally, Ive stepped back from the circus that is UK politics at the moment. The Netherlands excelled when they didnt have one, and Im starting to feel the same way

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-19/dutch-doing-just-fine-without-government-on-decade-high-growth

As a pp said concerns about NI would have been dismissed as project fear

Maybe they would have, maybe not - what remains however, is the fact that the Remain campaign & the myriad powerful, educated, supporters of Remain did not make a big deal about it in the UK mainstream media.

James Dyson wants us to walk away so we can deregulate making it easier for him to fire people at will. He also wants tax on his profits abolished. He then went on to say he would be manufacturing his electric car in the middle east not the UK. I can't see how any of that is good news.

If it was not incumbent on the leave campaign to address any of the difficulties of brexit then can I assume that at the next election all the parties will be allowed to put forward all the positive policies they wish without having to explain how they will be achieved or paid for? Will the Tories have to address how labours tuition fee policy will be implemented? Will labour have to come up with the wording for the lib dems 2nd referendum? Of course it was the leave campaign's responsibility. But I would concede the blame does in some way lie with the media who did not challenge the campaign properly on these points. If you are campaigning for something over the amount of years that, in particular UKIP, did then it is not unreasonable to expect them to have addressed some of the difficulties involved.