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Westministenders: A week in politics is a long time....

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RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 12:28

Lost track of politics in the last week or so?

Someone asked how do I keep on top of this? I’ve struggled this week there is so much going on.

Brexit seems to be on a bit of a back burner and we have become utterly swamped in mud and sleaze and corruption allegations

So here is a summary of the last week:

  1. Government defeated over the impact reports due to an ancient parliamentary protocol. They must release papers to the public though this is likely to be heavily redacted.
  2. Currently we are holding talks about talks with the EU. Instead of speeding up talks. They are annoyed at us for this.
  3. Baroness Anelay, the minister responsible for getting the Repel Bill through the Lords, quit citing an injury caused by jumping out of a helicopter several years ago. She was the second person to quit this role. Lord Bridges quit saying it was impossible task.
  4. Michael Gove has joined the Brexit Cabinet, which now has a majority of Leavers.
  5. There is currently no one employed at the Brexit department for strategic planning.
  6. Brexit Bill likely to face even more opposition in the face of Williamson’s self promotion. More Remainers who have been loyal to May talking of joining the Rebel Forces.
  7. The has been a threat to rig the Lords to pass the Repel Bill according to Lord Adonis
  8. Clegg, Adonis and Clarke went to see Barnier. Farage got jealous.
  9. Talks for Stormont broke down. No direct rule but not home rule. Who is ruling is a mystery, but the same can be said in England at present. DUP are not getting their dosh.
  10. FTA may not be possible on lines UK want as it would be better than Canada and South Korea and that’s not legally allowed. The real problem for the UK is services.
  11. EHCR related issues – prisoner voting rights and letter to Romanian which brings into question whether the EHCR is deliberately being flouted.
  12. Clause in the data protection bill which allows it to be ignored ‘cos immigration’.
  13. The Electoral Commission are being sued for allowing over spending by Vote Leave
  14. Arron Banks is being investigated by the Electoral Commission over how he donated to political causes
  15. UKIP whistleblowers reported donations they thought were odd and not declared but only just has come to light
  16. Arron Banks is winding up a charity under investigation by the Charities Commission
  17. Arron Banks paid for Kate Hoey to go to Washington DC.
  18. Lord Ashcroft apparently exposed by the Bermuda hack, like Robert Mercer
  19. Steve Baker reported for taking money from the mysterious donor to the DUP
  20. Priti Patel breaks ministerial code with an undisclosed trip to Israel with lobbyist. May says she has done nothing wrong, despite it being clear breech of the rules.
  21. Michael Fallon quit over multiple incidents
  22. Damien Green embroiled in accusation over Kate Maltby. Also having a fight with former counter terrorism copper who he has history with over ‘extreme porn’ found on his computer during a raid. Copper previously said he had been set up in the paper but dropped the accusation. Green is denying everything
  23. Charlie Elphicke has had the whip removed and case has been referred to police. Says he has done nothing wrong and isn’t even aware of what he has been accused of.
  24. Steven Crabb under investigation for sexting. Has apologised.
  25. Michael Garnier under investigation for dildo buying. Has apologised
  26. Daniel Kawcyznski allegedly tried to set up dates with aides and wealthy friends
  27. Dan Poulter reported by fellow tory MP Andrew Bridgen for allegedly putting hands up skirts. Whips told in 2010.
  28. Chris Pincher alleged pound shop Weinstein who attempted to untuck the shirt of former Olympic rower and tory activist Alex Story.
  29. Gavin Barwell former whip and May’s special adviser. Broke special advisor code by tweeting politically controversial things. Is accused of being complicit in hiding the bodies and not taking action.
  30. Gavin Williamson gave himself a promotion and pissed everyone off. As former whip knows all the dirt but is vulnerable as a result of that, as he didn’t report or discipline offenders.
  31. ‘The Lift Lunger’ – as yet unnamed Tory MP said to have ‘attacked’ Labour MP in taxi. Date rape drugs possibly involved.
  32. Boris Johnson, Alok Sharma and Tobias Ellwood all named as having contact with the mysterious Maltese professor named in the Papadopoulos indictment.
  33. Farage makes anti-Semitic remarks on LBC. That’s Farage, a person of interest to the FBI.
  34. Three indictments in USA for Trump Russia. Which implicate a whole load of people by association.
  35. Some stuff is going on in Saudi Arabia which should have half an eye kept on it.
  36. Jared O’Mara, Clive Lewis, Ivan Lewis and Kelvin Hopkins on the Labour Shit List. Also a rape allegation against a Labour activist which was shut down by a senior Labour figure

This week the Repel Bill and the Budget. Plus no doubt, lots more scandal.

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woman11017 · 09/11/2017 21:07

Smile cheers BigChoc
I'm amazed at how clappy happy Brexiters are
It's been noted in the twitterati the number of odd/Russian accounts that have popped up again, as brexit is looking a bit emasculated. Grin
I've noticed too familiar posting 'tells' from a few of our chipolata boys. Another shift.

On the Remain stall at a nearby town, we have strategised that the hard core 'Leavers' need to be left to it. I managed to close down a discussion with a fellow who told me about the billions that had been spent on refugees' housing and healthcare in 15 seconds. Smile

But we are going after the many doubtful and depressed tory remainers who can be persuaded to vote and campaign to remain.

woman11017 · 09/11/2017 21:20

@thatginamiller
New wave of revelations strongly suggests Russia interfered in Brexit. Why is the UK Govt staying silent - are they 'accessories after the fact?
www.the-american-interest.com/2017/11/09/russias-brexit-subversion/

RedToothBrush · 09/11/2017 21:25

Laura Kuenssberg @ bbclaurak
If you're still following Patel-Israel story - FCO source has acknowledged that she bumped into junior FCO official on Aug 24th in Jerusalem - it was not a pre-arranged meeting they say, and she did not tell them of her official govt meetings - the wider FCO was still not aware

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lalalonglegs · 09/11/2017 21:30

Oh FFS, just come clean, this is beyond embarrassing Hmm

7Days · 09/11/2017 21:34

Mordant, though. Sounds like a Death Eater name.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/11/2017 21:37

Owen Jones:
"It’s like Night of the Living Dead meets Fawlty Towers, where the politically undead govern with an almost unwatchable level of farce."

GrinGrin < the alternative is weeping>

RedToothBrush · 09/11/2017 21:39

Mordaunt is the one who went on that reality TV show diving wasn't she.

There is an actual real life reality TV star in the cabinet.

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7Days · 09/11/2017 21:48

I'd watch a night of the living dead / fawlty towers/ sleb big brother mashup. Now with Real World consequences!

RedToothBrush · 09/11/2017 21:50

Britain is having a melt down over politics and scandals.

America goes, "hold my beer" and has someone defending someone accused of sexually assaulting a 14 year old by saying:

“He’s clean as a hound’s tooth,” Ziegler claimed, before relying on Scripture to defend Moore.

“Take the Bible. Zachariah and Elizabeth for instance. Zachariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist,” Ziegler said choosing his words carefully before invoking Christ. “Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.”

“There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here,” Ziegler concluded. “Maybe just a little bit unusual.”

The original allegation was published by the Washington Post with 30 sources.

Not to mention that Joseph wasn't Jesus's father and that was the whole point of the story.

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Eeeeeowwwfftz · 09/11/2017 22:00

The strength and stability is nicely illustrated by some of the bets currently available, see e.g. sports.paddypower.mobi/#sport/33/competition/10158/Outrights

Next MP to leave HoC; next cabinet minister to leave (“dead heat if more than one leave on the same day”); what year will Boris cease to be FS (2017 & 2018 both priced at 11/10); when will May be removed/step down as PM (early 2018 fav at 3/1). And so on.

RedToothBrush · 09/11/2017 22:11

Torygraph reporting May is going to play chicken with Tory rebels. Government tabling amendment to put Brexit date into law to force them to accept to be left open to accusation that they want to stay in the EU.

Brexit to be 11pm on 29th March 2019.

Irony: we can't even make it midnight cos it's down to what time it is in Brussels.

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RedToothBrush · 09/11/2017 22:19

Anyone watching 'Angry, white and American' on C4 now? The Black British journalist interviewing Richard Spencer is amazing.

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Peregrina · 09/11/2017 22:21

Brexit to be 11pm on 29th March 2019.

How does this square with May's desire for a 'transition' i.e an extension of time?

RedToothBrush · 09/11/2017 22:24

It doesn't.

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RedToothBrush · 09/11/2017 22:26

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/08/interviewing-richard-spencer-white-supremacist
Why interviewing Richard Spencer was a risk worth taking
Gary Younge
Gary Younge
Giving publicity to a white supremacist isn’t something I do lightly, but right now, ignoring him seems more dangerous than hopefully exposing him

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RedToothBrush · 09/11/2017 22:28

Guardian front page: business tells may get deal fast.

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RedToothBrush · 09/11/2017 22:48

www.thesun.co.uk/news/4882215/theresa-may-cabinet-reshuffle-demands-penny-mordaunt/amp/
CLEAR DEAD WOOD' Theresa May ordered to carry out major Cabinet reshuffle by rising star Tory MPs
Younger Tories in government’s mid ranks and backbenches have threatened a potential leadership challenge unless the Prime Minister clears out the top table after Christmas

The ultimatum – relayed to No10 by whips and aides – emerged as the PM promoted Penny Mordaunt into the Cabinet as the new Development Secretary.

And

One frustrated junior minister told The Sun: “The Cabinet is full of dead wood, who do nothing but screw up.

“The PM has been told in no uncertain terms she must have a proper clear out.

It’s the next generation’s turn, and Theresa May has one final chance to act on that very early in the New Year.”

The minister added: “She’s at rock bottom and has got nothing left to lose”.

Another rising star Tory MP branded the Cabinet “a shower” last night, adding: “The Conservative brand is now suffering real credibility damage, you can feel it on the doorsteps.

And

Former Tory minister Nick Boles also spoke yesterday to insist that “bluntly, we need policy and direction”.

The Grantham MP and party big thinker added: “The government is like a bicycle.

“Unless it’s moving forward, it falls over and at the moment it’s looking wobbly

Boles has talked recently of 'the square deal' after Franklin Roosevelt's vision for America.

And who does the 'dead wood' apply to...?

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RedToothBrush · 09/11/2017 22:49

Independent

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Peregrina · 09/11/2017 22:55

It’s the next generation’s turn, and Theresa May has one final chance to act on that very early in the New Year.”

Except that the younger generation had a turn with Cameron, and he messed up big time.

As to dead wood to be cleared out - deadwood Redwood for a starter, although he doesn't hold office, IDS, Johnson, Gove, Fox, Davis.... The electorate might oblige by getting rid of Amber Rudd at the next GE.

woman11017 · 09/11/2017 23:16

German Foreign Office tweeted this. Kudos to them.

Westministenders: A week in politics is a long time....
woman11017 · 09/11/2017 23:27

The Mirror:

Westministenders: A week in politics is a long time....
Cailleach1 · 10/11/2017 00:08

good. nasty man. one hand typing as had op on other. no energy def/indef articles. like the rssian bts!

"Penny Mordaunt's main qualification for the job is that she's a Eurosceptic."

from indo. but main qualification is she is a brazen liar. no respect for electorate if you repeatedly lie on live tv. happy to lie to spread the falsehood in order to have crooked win. they were/are no better than common crooks, IMO. can she give an equally public and live apology now and then be sacked for peddling lies? another disgrace.

thecatfromjapan · 10/11/2017 01:02

Cailleach1 An operation? Hope it went well, my dear.

Yep. The new addition to the Cabinet is, indeed, a shining example of the wealth of talent that was attracted to the Brexit cause - and possible a stellar example of what we have to look forward to. what could go wrong with such a remarkable group of people in charge of the UK?

mathanxiety · 10/11/2017 04:51

That 'American Interest' article is three minutes of my life that I won't get back again. All hints and suggestions and no substance.

Francis Fukuyama has been spectacularly wrong before.

He is the author of 'The End of History and the Last Man'. (From Wiki) - in which he argued that the progression of human history as a struggle between ideologies is largely at an end, with the world settling on liberal democracy after the end of the Cold War and the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989. Fukuyama predicted the eventual global triumph of political and economic liberalism:

'What we may be witnessing is not just the end of the Cold War, or the passing of a particular period of postwar history, but the end of history as such.... That is, the end point of mankind's ideological evolution and the universalization of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government.'
Bless...

On Iraq:
As a key Reagan Administration contributor to the formulation of the Reagan Doctrine, Fukuyama is an important figure in the rise of neoconservatism, although his works came out years after Irving Kristol's 1972 book crystallized neoconservatism.[19] Fukuyama was active in the Project for the New American Century think tank starting in 1997, and as a member co-signed the organization's 1998 letter recommending that President Bill Clinton support Iraqi insurgencies in the overthrow of then-President of Iraq Saddam Hussein.[20] He was also among forty co-signers of William Kristol's September 20, 2001 letter to President George W. Bush after the September 11, 2001 attacks that suggested the U.S. not only "capture or kill Osama bin Laden", but also embark upon "a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq".[21]
A big thank you to Francis Fukuyama for all of that.

According to Wikipedia he is associated with the rise of the neoconservative movement, which he apparently realised was a big mistake, but obv too late to put the toothpaste back into the tube...

Clearly, he soldiers on though.

mathanxiety · 10/11/2017 04:51

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Fukuyama

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