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Westministenders: A week in politics is a long time....

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RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 12:28

Lost track of politics in the last week or so?

Someone asked how do I keep on top of this? I’ve struggled this week there is so much going on.

Brexit seems to be on a bit of a back burner and we have become utterly swamped in mud and sleaze and corruption allegations

So here is a summary of the last week:

  1. Government defeated over the impact reports due to an ancient parliamentary protocol. They must release papers to the public though this is likely to be heavily redacted.
  2. Currently we are holding talks about talks with the EU. Instead of speeding up talks. They are annoyed at us for this.
  3. Baroness Anelay, the minister responsible for getting the Repel Bill through the Lords, quit citing an injury caused by jumping out of a helicopter several years ago. She was the second person to quit this role. Lord Bridges quit saying it was impossible task.
  4. Michael Gove has joined the Brexit Cabinet, which now has a majority of Leavers.
  5. There is currently no one employed at the Brexit department for strategic planning.
  6. Brexit Bill likely to face even more opposition in the face of Williamson’s self promotion. More Remainers who have been loyal to May talking of joining the Rebel Forces.
  7. The has been a threat to rig the Lords to pass the Repel Bill according to Lord Adonis
  8. Clegg, Adonis and Clarke went to see Barnier. Farage got jealous.
  9. Talks for Stormont broke down. No direct rule but not home rule. Who is ruling is a mystery, but the same can be said in England at present. DUP are not getting their dosh.
  10. FTA may not be possible on lines UK want as it would be better than Canada and South Korea and that’s not legally allowed. The real problem for the UK is services.
  11. EHCR related issues – prisoner voting rights and letter to Romanian which brings into question whether the EHCR is deliberately being flouted.
  12. Clause in the data protection bill which allows it to be ignored ‘cos immigration’.
  13. The Electoral Commission are being sued for allowing over spending by Vote Leave
  14. Arron Banks is being investigated by the Electoral Commission over how he donated to political causes
  15. UKIP whistleblowers reported donations they thought were odd and not declared but only just has come to light
  16. Arron Banks is winding up a charity under investigation by the Charities Commission
  17. Arron Banks paid for Kate Hoey to go to Washington DC.
  18. Lord Ashcroft apparently exposed by the Bermuda hack, like Robert Mercer
  19. Steve Baker reported for taking money from the mysterious donor to the DUP
  20. Priti Patel breaks ministerial code with an undisclosed trip to Israel with lobbyist. May says she has done nothing wrong, despite it being clear breech of the rules.
  21. Michael Fallon quit over multiple incidents
  22. Damien Green embroiled in accusation over Kate Maltby. Also having a fight with former counter terrorism copper who he has history with over ‘extreme porn’ found on his computer during a raid. Copper previously said he had been set up in the paper but dropped the accusation. Green is denying everything
  23. Charlie Elphicke has had the whip removed and case has been referred to police. Says he has done nothing wrong and isn’t even aware of what he has been accused of.
  24. Steven Crabb under investigation for sexting. Has apologised.
  25. Michael Garnier under investigation for dildo buying. Has apologised
  26. Daniel Kawcyznski allegedly tried to set up dates with aides and wealthy friends
  27. Dan Poulter reported by fellow tory MP Andrew Bridgen for allegedly putting hands up skirts. Whips told in 2010.
  28. Chris Pincher alleged pound shop Weinstein who attempted to untuck the shirt of former Olympic rower and tory activist Alex Story.
  29. Gavin Barwell former whip and May’s special adviser. Broke special advisor code by tweeting politically controversial things. Is accused of being complicit in hiding the bodies and not taking action.
  30. Gavin Williamson gave himself a promotion and pissed everyone off. As former whip knows all the dirt but is vulnerable as a result of that, as he didn’t report or discipline offenders.
  31. ‘The Lift Lunger’ – as yet unnamed Tory MP said to have ‘attacked’ Labour MP in taxi. Date rape drugs possibly involved.
  32. Boris Johnson, Alok Sharma and Tobias Ellwood all named as having contact with the mysterious Maltese professor named in the Papadopoulos indictment.
  33. Farage makes anti-Semitic remarks on LBC. That’s Farage, a person of interest to the FBI.
  34. Three indictments in USA for Trump Russia. Which implicate a whole load of people by association.
  35. Some stuff is going on in Saudi Arabia which should have half an eye kept on it.
  36. Jared O’Mara, Clive Lewis, Ivan Lewis and Kelvin Hopkins on the Labour Shit List. Also a rape allegation against a Labour activist which was shut down by a senior Labour figure

This week the Repel Bill and the Budget. Plus no doubt, lots more scandal.

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LurkingHusband · 08/11/2017 14:10

It's coming in thick and fast (which could equally apply to the news, or just Priti Patel on a jet Grin)

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-boris-johnson-criticism-remoaner-plot-brexit-derail-government-claim-tory-mp-nadhim-a8043266.html

Tory MP ridiculed for saying 'Remoaner' plot to derail Brexit is behind Priti Patel and Boris Johnson criticismTory MP ridiculed for saying 'Remoaner' plot to derail Brexit is behind Priti Patel and Boris Johnson criticism

Nadhim Zadawi said the outcry against both ministers was an attempt to "derail the Government" and force a u-turn on EU withdrawal by targeting 'big beasts in Brexit campaign'Tory MP ridiculed for saying 'Remoaner' plot to derail Brexit is behind Priti Patel and Boris Johnson criticism

(contd)

anyone smelling the fear yet ? Last time things were this febrile, interest rates went up 5 times in 5 hours ....

lonelyplanetmum · 08/11/2017 14:11

Just playing catch up with the thread….don’t know if anyone has mentioned it but I had an interesting conversation this morning about the lack of a social conscience and deceit in many of our politicians. My friend works in p.r. and said Priti Patel has shown dodgy views on many things previously including:

1.Being happy to lobby on behalf of British American Tobacco.She worked on a p.r. project to minimise repetitional damage from paying Burmese factory workers £15 a month. Her consistent support for tobacco industry includes voting for overturning the smoking ban and requesting that plain packaging for cigarettes be reconsidered.

2.She also argued for the restoration of capital punishment in 2011 but changed her mind five years later.

3.She voted against the 2013 same sex marriage bill.

When the warning signs are there why does the electorate still vote for these people?Take Liam Fox and his Adam Werrity embarassment. Five years later his constituency are still voting for him, and he gets makes a come back being promoted to high office.

Boris Johnson,for years he has lied for example about his mistress being pregnant, and his involvement in the Darius Guppy thing.

These things are warning signs.However the warnings are not heeded.

Surely politicians, especially senior ones should have a sense of responsibility and concern for the problems and injustices of society.Why has that been lost?

woman11017 · 08/11/2017 14:16

Even more worried for Nazanin after what BJ has done:

@theobertram

He lies. It's what he does.

^And on this post, further details about Boris Johnson.

Westministenders: A week in politics is a long time....
LurkingHusband · 08/11/2017 14:17

2.She also argued for the restoration of capital punishment in 2011 but changed her mind five years later.

Please do not describe her as "arguing" - there was no logic, intelligence, or understanding involved. Even a parrot would have been more convincing.

LurkingHusband · 08/11/2017 14:19

Nazanin

Another innocent pawn in the gory glory seekers game SadSadSadSad

Maybe we need another "not in my name" - about anything this government say or do.

HashiAsLarry · 08/11/2017 14:19

I do not recommend Gove. I feel the need to point that out.

I think it's rosette voting lonely. From what I can tell round my way next to no one actually likes our MP. They'd be happy if he were replaced. But they like the Tories so they vote for him in overwhelming numbers. I swear he could kill a kitten on your doorstep and people would still vote for him.

LurkingHusband · 08/11/2017 14:20

When the warning signs are there why does the electorate still vote for these people?

Because thinking is hard. Much easier to let someone else do it, and vote by rosette. (See also: religion).

mrsreynolds · 08/11/2017 14:20

Mimsy bastard quisling fucks
😡😡😡😡😡😡

Ballsfffftpsss · 08/11/2017 14:23

Interestingly Prince Charles' tax story is not among BBC News' top 10 most red stories anymore although it's fairly new news.

I can't abide Patel [green] but she is being made a scape goat, yes?

Whilst all this is happening we still have zero strategy for any sort of Brexit other than crashing out with no deal.

LurkingHusband · 08/11/2017 14:25

quisling

Ooooh, old school Smile

OlennasWimple · 08/11/2017 14:27

Ladbrokes has Patel as 1/6 favourite to be the next sacked Tory minister (BoJo is in second, then Green)

Rees-Mogg is 6/1 favourite to be the next Tory leader Shock (BoJo also in second in this one)

LurkingHusband · 08/11/2017 14:27

I can't abide Patel Envy but she is being made a scape goat, yes?

I hope not. Certainly not in the classical meaning of the word (which, with delicious irony, a certain P. Patel should be very well versed in, having just visited the Holy land).

It's not just her that needs to go. They all need to be held to account for their sins.

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Holliewantstobehot · 08/11/2017 14:31

Wish Chuka Umunna had stayed on and won the labour leadership. I don't dislike JC but I think Chuka would be a voice of reason right now.

Are we running a sweepstake on the next minister to go after Priti? Can I have Damien Green?

The idea that the brexiteers are losing their jobs because of a plot rather than incompetence is rather like that lad on QT complaining that all the remainers interviewed were more intelligent. QED..
.....

Ballsfffftpsss · 08/11/2017 14:34

On the notion of PP going for leadership, I suspect there is zero appetite for another woman PM in the Tori party at this point in time. May looked and spoke the part of "strict nanny' as a pp described Thatcher but after her useless reign the boys will want one of their own to lead next surely.

LurkingHusband · 08/11/2017 14:35

Can I have Damien Green?

Ah, yes. Mr "Lets use the European Court of Human Rights to expunge my DNA, while the UK government illegally retains every other poor sods" Green.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/aug/20/damian-green-records-deleted

Or another Damien Green ?

mrsreynolds · 08/11/2017 14:35

Indeed LH Grin

LurkingHusband · 08/11/2017 14:40

Just going back to Thatcher, and how the Tory party works.

Apart from Willie Whitelaw, I think it's fair to say no one wanted Mrs Thatcher to be leader. However, they wanted Ted Heath even less. And proving that Tories really don't learn, they elected Mrs Thatcher in the aim of then manipulating her.(Hindenburg/von Papen spring to mind).

(I am sure there was a quote about someone saying they'd push HItler so far into a corner he'd squeak ... Some corner, some mouse ? - Churchill ?)

lonelyplanetmum · 08/11/2017 14:44

Point noted LH I should have just said Priti Patel was inarticulately in favour of capital punishment.

With rosette voting I would be interested to know if the pattern of lifelong loyalty to your party (even if they kill kittens on the doorstep) is an international thing. Are we more prepared than those in other countries to vote for any candidate fielded whatever they have said and done before, provided they wear the right rosette?
I guess the responsibility lies with the party membership in forgiving and fielding candidates after they have been deceitful etc in the past. It should be one strike and you are out.

For example if a teacher has an affair with a sixth former, quite rightly they lose their job and never teach again.So if a politician breaks rules, tells lies etc they should never be a politician again.Having a period of grace and then a return to their job seems more acceptable than in other professions.

I suppose the electorate deal with disenchantment by not voting at all.

RedToothBrush · 08/11/2017 14:50

Priti is due to land at 15.05 I believe.

At which point, when she turns on her phone, it will start bleeping.

A LOT.

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OldEnglishSheepDog · 08/11/2017 14:51

God I'd love to be her chauffeur. It'll be full Thick of It in that car.

RedToothBrush · 08/11/2017 14:53

The Independent‏*@Independent* 4 minutes ago
Priti Patel has begun her descent

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-israel-live-updates-latest-flight-fired-sacked-minister-flies-back-uk-secret-a8043816.html
They are running a live blog on her arrival.

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HashiAsLarry · 08/11/2017 14:53

lonely it certainly exists in USA. I don't know how far it translates into countries like France and Germany where there is a spread of parties and no fear of coalitions.

I often wonder if the mp rosette voting would change if we had a presidential style voting system for pm. Its so habitual I'd guess not much.

LurkingHusband · 08/11/2017 14:55

The Independent‏*@Independent* 4 minutes ago Priti Patel has begun her descent

In oh, so many ways ....