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Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'

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RedToothBrush · 17/10/2017 18:09

Phil Hammond called the EU the enemy. Then retracted it. A classic political move, to pitch to one group and then say you didn't mean it after all.

This is the UK's negotiation strategy. Because the negotiation isn't really with the EU. Its the ongoing debate over the what leaving the EU actually means since it wasn't officially defined prior to the referendum and has been left to politicians to say its one thing to persuade people to support them and then decided no that's not really what they meant after all.

The whole thing makes it impossible for the EU to respond to us, because we don't appear to know what we want.

The EU have been explicit in their position. So things they can not do because of the limitations of trade rules and EU law. Its possible work arounds could be possible for some things - but certainly not all which too many Brexiteers fail to acknowledge.

And then there is the a50 deadline which is like a snake coiled around May's neck slowly strangling her. A self imposed screwing of our negotiating position. One that kills off our Brexit options and ups the stakes into a brinkmanship battle - not with the EU but between the hardlines and the sane. Its not even about remaining, though that option might well end up being the only option left on the table through our own folly, rather than out of EU malice.

The longer we take to work out what we want the higher the stake become and the more we destroy the foundations of our economy in the meantime, even if we do stay in.

We have only just noticed that we've lost money worth 25% of our GDP and we have no net assets anymore, when in early 2016 we had significant assets. Project Fear they said was wrong. Well was it?

We are flat broke as a nation.

Then there is the Great Repel Bill. The Bill was supposed to be in the Commons this week. It was delayed a week due to the sheer number of amendments. There are nearly a dozen with enough Tory rebels to make them stick. Including one for parliament to have a meaningful vote on what option we take - including no deal. If parliament rejected this, we would be left in a situation where we sure as hell better hope a50 is reversible or we could end up unlawfully leave the EU by accident!

And the Lords could be fun for the Repel Bill. The Labour whip has vowed to examine every amendment properly even if the commons don't. And they are free and within their rights to do so.

Still May could exit stage left. Or left with egg all over her face as she has to suck up to the 'enemy' for being such a tool for the last 18months, because she hasn't made progress on the negotiations that really matter. The Tory party ones.

Whichever way you cut it, you can be sure on only one thing: it will go to the wire for both. And possibly beyond with an eleventh hour extension to prevent chaos.

There are hints that the public mood might be changing. Not fast enough. Yet. Interest rates? A break in the triple lock? Phil's budget sure will be interesting. Especially as Brexiteers want money to prepare and protect us from a no deal scenario which they also tell us will be just fine and won't be a problem. Bye Bye NHS, don't get flu this winter. As a note once infamously said: 'There's no many left'.

We are Greece. Only worse. And out of pressure and deadlines we alone created. We just haven't realised it. Yet.

And if this doesn't make you cringe and brace yourself in horror:

Danny Kemp‏ @dannyctkemp
May wants to take the floor at EU summit dinner on Thursday to explain Brexit policy to fellow leaders, senior official says

Just remember her party speech and think: What could possibly go wrong...

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RedToothBrush · 26/10/2017 11:37

From the Daily Mail.

David Yelland‏*@davidyelland*
Shock, horror, lovely @rogermosey is left wing? Certainly none read @DailyMailUK so here’s McCarthy roll of honour for you...

It is indeed a most interesting choice:

From his wiki:
He became the BBC's Editorial Director in May 2013, but this appointment proved to be short lived. Upon leaving the BBC, Mosey highlighted the various biases in the work of the organisation. Writing in The Times, he noted that the organisation was too left-wing, had failed to "give enough space to anti-immigration views or to EU-withdrawalists" and had uniformity in its views. Mosey proposed that the organisation should share the licence fee with others.

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artisancraftbeer · 26/10/2017 11:46

Tim Gardam isn't principal of St Anne's anymore. www.st-annes.ox.ac.uk/about/people/head-of-house so its good to see the Daily Mail is putting the effort into their research.

Also there are 66 colleges at both Oxford and Cambridge with 15 people listed on that cover, some of whom have been in post for 5 years or more and some who aren't. That looks thorough.

Also, heads of colleges are generally appointed to bring in money - if they're not academics, no-one has the faintest interest in their liberal or not personal leanings. You're more likely to be known and capable of generating nice endowments if you know all the journalists and TV people so you can have a good party....its pure networking.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/10/2017 11:46

This will help RoI transport trade post-Brexit to the other 26

https://afloat.ie/port-news/dublin-port/item/37536-world-s-largest-ro-ro-ferry-to-be-introduced-on-dublin-routes-linking-mainland-europe

http://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/cldn-forges-ahead-lifting-options-7-8-of-their-12-vessel-expansion-program/

World's largest ro-ro to run between Dublin-Belgium and Dublin-Holland

woman11017 · 26/10/2017 11:47

@jonlis1
Important piece in @standardnews. Weber a key figure, transition unravelling each day. Repeat: there is no viable transition #extendorrevoke

This is a complete shambles.

Cheering on 'fringe separatists' is not a good look for those who want to keep financial passporting.

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MsHooliesCardigan · 26/10/2017 11:52

Excuse my ignorance but who is RDD?

RedToothBrush · 26/10/2017 12:06

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-does-not-know-how-brexit-will-hit-economy-david-davis-says-a3668491.html
Theresa May has not read reports on how Brexit will hit economy, David Davis says

WTF!?

(((Dan Hodges)))‏*@DPJHodges*

Jeremy Corbyn and Shami Chakrabarti argued against suspending O'Mara. Then went off to celebrate the launch of her book on gender equality.

Tom Newton Dunn‏*@tnewtondunn*

Update: clerks have just told MPs there are now 397 amendments and new clauses tabled for EU Withdrawal Bill. Two weeks to unplug them all.

www.pressgazette.co.uk/guardian-says-money-from-readers-has-overtaken-advertising-as-it-boasts-500000-paying-supporters-and-subscribers/
Guardian says money from readers has overtaken advertising as it boasts 500,000 paying supporters

Guardian News and Media claims that more than 300,000 readers are now paying it at least £5 a month as supporters and members.

Added to around 100,000 print subscribers and 100,000 digital app subscribers this means around 500,000 are now making regular payments to The Guardian and Observer publisher.

And

Guardian News and Media also revealed today that it received more than 300,000 individual, one-off contributions over the past 12 months from readers in more than 140 countries, resulting in revenue of several million pounds.

They are hoping to break even by 2018/9 and to not paywall on principle.

www.politics.co.uk/news/2017/10/26/dwp-quietly-drops-universal-credit-child-poverty-forecast
DWP quietly drops Universal Credit child poverty forecast

The Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) has quietly dropped its estimates of how many children will be lifted out of poverty because of Universal Credit.

A white paper from 2010, which set out the government's plans for the new programme, suggested it could lift 350,000 children out of poverty.

In 2013, a written answer to Conservative MP Chris Skidmore from then DWP minister Esther McVey showed that that estimate had been downgraded to 150,000.

and

When contacted by Politics.co.uk this week, the DWP again failed to give any estimate of how many children would be lifted out of poverty because of the introduction of Universal Credit.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nhs-rent-spare-room-airbnb-southend-hospital-essex-trust-bed-shortage-crisis-a8020986.html
NHS hospital drops out of 'Airbnb' scheme to rent spare rooms to patients

Southend University Hospital NHS Foundation Trust has said it has no intention to take part in the pilot, saying it could compromise the safety and quality of care of its patients.

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TatianaLarina · 26/10/2017 12:07

Historically, the intelligentsia have generally been left wing internationally. Have the right only just twigged?

RedToothBrush · 26/10/2017 12:21

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/katie-hopkins-beheading-fantasy-madihah-taheer-convicted-terrorism-offences-isis-latest-updates-a8021006.html
Madihah Taheer: Woman who fantasised about beheading Katie Hopkins convicted of terror offences

groans

Now a would be martyr.

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prettybird · 26/10/2017 12:24

Re the "Care BnB" pilot that has now hit the MSM as it was on BBC Breakfast : iirc, one of the main reasons for bed-blocking was the time taken to put in place the care package required for the individual. Surely that would still be an issue (if not more of one) if the individual is going to be discharged to a stranger's house, even if it is one with an "approved" bedroom? Confused

LurkingHusband · 26/10/2017 12:24

Madihah Taheer: Woman who fantasised about beheading Katie Hopkins convicted of terror offences

So presumably anti-terror laws are working as is ?

pointythings · 26/10/2017 12:43

The fallout will break the Tories and then it will break Labour and then we will see a new political landscape emerge.

The problem I have with this is that the emergence of new landscapes is normally preceded by catastrophic events - earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, floods, landslides. As a metaphor for Brexit this is probably accurate, but it isn't something to look forward to.

prettybird · 26/10/2017 13:02

...revolutions, wars.... Sad

RedToothBrush · 26/10/2017 13:03

Press Association‏*@PA*

#Breaking Catalonia's leader dissolves regional parliament and calls regional election for December 20 in U-turn for separatists

The problem I have with this is that the emergence of new landscapes is normally preceded by catastrophic events - earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, floods, landslides. As a metaphor for Brexit this is probably accurate, but it isn't something to look forward to.

Trump's failure to talk sense to Israel or his desire to engage in a dick swinging contest with Kim.

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TheElementsSong · 26/10/2017 13:06

I see the Daily Mail is in full on apoplexy mode about "Remainer Universities".

It’s about bloody time - they’ve done the judiciary, the politicians - we academics were beginning to feel terribly overlooked!

woman11017 · 26/10/2017 13:12

revolutions, wars..
We are, however, to varying degrees in a PSYOPs operation.

Matter of holding one's nerve, and continuing to use democratic and free speech rights to defend.

@matthewbennett
Vomiting in the toilet?

@GeorgeMills25
Catalan Puigdemont now choosing his tie? Finishing his lunch? Having last minute change of heart?

in U-turn for separatists
Flirting with fascists often leads to unfortunate misunderstandings doesn't it, Teresa?

NinonDeLenclos · 26/10/2017 13:14

The problem I have with this is that the emergence of new landscapes is normally preceded by catastrophic events - earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, floods, landslides. As a metaphor for Brexit this is probably accurate, but it isn't something to look forward to

I do think it is a minor catastrophe. The next 10-20 years will be very hard-going, gruelling even. Whether there is any actual civil unrest depends on the economic consequences.

In 20 years much of the hard right will be retired or dead. I think we will see a merging of the middle ground as a reaction against current extremes. And also the fact that both Tories and Labour will end up tainted by association with Brexit.

woman11017 · 26/10/2017 13:20

we will see a merging of the middle ground as a reaction against current extremes
Until extreme inequality is tackled, that's not going to happen. Bannonites like Banks and Gove have always, (Like revolutionary communists) had systematic (college fees, health care, tax breaks, de professionalisation) destruction of pesky bourgeoisie in their sights.

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LurkingHusband · 26/10/2017 13:21

I do think it is a minor catastrophe. The next 10-20 years will be very hard-going, gruelling even. Whether there is any actual civil unrest depends on the economic consequences.

Apparently, the rate of increase of human global population is slowing. Which suggests a levelling off. Presumably an effect of societies that become more technologically evolved discovering contraception ?

If I were someone whose life mission was to squeeze as much out of other people for myself as possible, the spectre of an end to the infinite amount of labour a never-ending expansion implies would be keeping me on the toilet (as DF says) at nights.

It's no real solution, but if the working classes really wanted to stick to the man, they'd work out a way to halve their numbers overnight. (Or let nature do it Hmm).

woman11017 · 26/10/2017 14:10

they'd work out a way to halve their numbers overnight
Yes 'cos working class women have so much sexual autonomy just like the rest of us.Hmm

RedToothBrush · 26/10/2017 14:12

It's no real solution, but if the working classes really wanted to stick to the man, they'd work out a way to halve their numbers overnight. (Or let nature do it ).

Irony alert: By that logic privatising the NHS will have the inevitable effect of eventually sticking it to the man, as an unintended consequence?

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RedToothBrush · 26/10/2017 14:15

Weirdly, this has just been tweeted:

Fraser Nelson‏*@FraserNelson* 13m
Here is latest ONS long-term population projection, vs earlier (wildly wrong) estimates.

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woman11017 · 26/10/2017 14:19

^Tory MP may face parliamentary probe over Brexit letter to universities
Chris Heaton-Harris’s letter provoked a furious backlash from universities^
.
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/tory-mp-may-face-parliamentary-probe-over-brexit-letter-to-universities-36263844.html

LurkingHusband · 26/10/2017 14:20

Yes 'cos working class women have so much sexual autonomy just like the rest of us.hmm

Irony alert: By that logic privatising the NHS will have the inevitable effect of eventually sticking it to the man, as an unintended consequence?

The only way to halve a population overnight (well, over a relatively short timescale) without WMD Hmm is pandemic ....

Maybe the best time to be alive, as an untermensch, was sometime shortly after the Black Death ... late 1300s in England ???? Labour was scarce (and therefore expensive). Those landowners that remained were forced to pay higher wages, or see their valuable land become worthless.

There was a valiant effort by the aristocracy to reign in bolshy labourers (doubtless promoted by one Sir Reece Mogginton), but they failed.

If I remember, this is where the concept of "adverse possession" started, as so much property was left vacant with no way of tracing any legitimate claimant.

RedToothBrush · 26/10/2017 14:21

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*

Blimey - check out @samueltombs chart of sharpest fall in CBI retail measure since 2009. Inflation/ £ fall now biting consumers. Cliff.

Wooo interest rates are going up next week. Apparently.

Sound the klaxon. This is a warning sign of the next phase of Brexit.

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woman11017 · 26/10/2017 14:25

@faisalislam
Full list or 334 amendments & 63 New Clauses - it’ll reach well over 400 now Committee stage delayed till mid Nov

publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2017-2019/0005/amend/euwithdrawal_rm_cwh_1025.pdf