Westminstenders: The wrong homework

[HashiAsLarry]

I'm no rtb but I'll give it a shot, though her efforts deserve much more than me.

The August negotiation round has, well, fizzled out in much the same way as any other. It's taken over a year to get to written position papers and there's still no clue as to a direction from the UK government.

Japan, meanwhile, is about to sign off on a deal with the EU. A deal we want to copy.

@faisalislam
^but if post brexit britain's trade deal with third biggest economy in world is to be based on Brussels' deal, what about rest? TTIP? Canada?
...when PM signs off statements like this on primacy of EU-third party deals, one wonders how temporary the temporary customs union will be^

The NHS is now launching a drive to recruit foreign GPs, like the ones that have left thanks to Brexit. It's a good job they'll be £350m a week better off now. Oh hang on...

I will be marching along with my DB and DC who all went on the first march.
This is getting beyond farcical now. I'm not advocating riots a la poll tax but this government need to hear in no uncertain terms that people are angry and are not prepared to just roll over and see their future and their children's future wrecked to appease a handful of Tory right wingers. Off to start making a banner. Up The Revolution!

Well said, MsHoolies.
I don't recommend riots either, but basically if people regularly protest in very large numbers, the Government have no choice but to respond and react.

It worked in Romania earlier this year, when people demonstrated for weeks and weeks. No-one was hurt, very few arrests, but they got what they wanted:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Romanian_protests

I'm also going and have rounded up some friends to go too.

Thanks for the Romanian link - it makes a change to feel hopeful for once

The one in March was great but but didn't get enough publicity.

... but the first time MrsLH has been on a protest.

If you saw a wheelchair user being pushed down the Mall about 1pm, and back the other way about 1:30 .... it was us .

Drove down from Brum at 9am, and were home by 6pm ...

It was a gorgeous day.

(A little emotional, as it's exactly what my late DM who passed the week before would have done)

It was a wonderful atmosphere and a gloriously sunny Spring day. Entirely peaceful wtih no arrests. So the BBC in it's wisdom decided to make Carswell defecting from UKIP as its main story.

I am not sure if I will be able to go to the next Saturday's, but I really ought to try.

I couldn't make the previous one, but I'm definitely going to the march next Saturday, and yesterday my DH suddenly announced that he was coming too (he has never been on a march in his life!). Not sure yet about taking my DC, they might be slightly too young. I think there is more publicity this time round.

I can't go as dh is leaving for China that day
I don't suppose it will be covered by the BBC

I don't recommend riots either, but basically if people regularly protest in very large numbers, the Government have no choice but to respond and react.

Beginning in 2002, and continuing after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, large-scale protests against the Iraq War were held in many cities worldwide, often coordinated to occur simultaneously around the world.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War

Now I'm not saying the protest is pointless, far from it, but one needs to be realistic in one's expectations.

Not sure yet about taking my DC, they might be slightly too young

One of the best things was the incredible spread of ages and nationalities.

My DF grew up in a time and place when keeping your head down was probably the best way to keep a bullet out of it. Even to this day he's counselling caution. I can recall a running theme growing up of warning my DM "not to get involved". Meantime my DM was sitting in the road (and getting arrested !) outside our local school.

Of course, teaching the young about their rights and the power of peaceful democratic protest isn't really what "the man" likes.

If we had grandkids (which is a mixed comment !!!!) we'd happily take them to a march in a heartbeat.

If nothing else, you get to see Downing St.

If nothing else, you get to see Downing St.
There's not much that's more cathartic than chanting 'shame on you' at Downing Street. Not for any particular reason either

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41140564

The EU's Brexit negotiator has said he sees the process as an opportunity to "teach the British people and others what leaving the EU means".

Michel Barnier said he would never resort to blackmail but saw it as his job to "educate" the UK about the price it would pay for leaving the EU "club".

The UK has hit back, saying the EU does "not want to talk about the future".

Brexit Secretary David Davis said it was "frightened" and the UK would not be bounced into a divorce bill deal.

The latest salvos come after a week of talks in Brussels about the UK's withdrawal from the EU - scheduled to take place in March 2019 - which increased tensions between the two sides.

(contd)

the UK has hit back ?

What does the Scottish parliament say. Or is this more Westminster riding over everyone.

You know something ? If "sovereignty" is going to be Westminster acting like a jumped up despot, I'd rather not have it.

Oh, and here's the definitive guide to protesting ... how to get into the Guinness book of records ...

www.amazon.co.uk/Mark-Thomas-Serious-Organised-Criminal/dp/B000VU0KKO?tag=mumsnetforum-21

Now I'm not saying the protest is pointless, far from it, but one needs to be realistic in one's expectations.

No but turnouts of 100,000 make it clear to Theresa May that although she sensed the country was getting behind Brexit, it is most definitely not the case. Of course, her senses were completely out of kilter.

If nothing else you will be able to say to your grandchildren, if it all goes wrong, that you did what you could to stop it.

At the last march, TM could console herself that she was way ahead in the polls too...

I'll be there with my children (going by the last couple, it is very child-friendly and, if you feel it might be too crowded at the start and finish, I would recommend joining at Green Park station and slipping away at Charing X) - plus I've recruited some virgin protesters.

I wonder if we will see James Chapman launching the Democrats at the rallying point .

she was way ahead in the polls too
In March, tories were on 45% Labour on 26%
And this one now
@Survation
We have a new political poll out in tomorrow's MoS.
LAB 43% (+2)
CON 38% (nc)
LD 7% (-1)
UKIP 4% (-2*)

We're being trolled, very excellently, by India:

pbs.twimg.com/media/DIwH1BOXUAIzxIE.jpg

That article is inspired!

I joined at green park last time. It worked really well - felt like a bit of a cheat as it meant we were close to the front when we got to the rally point without doing all the waiting around at the start - although my DDs were unimpressed that lots of the people sitting around us on the grass seemed to have sandwiches etc and I of course had no food at all ..

Not sure yet about taking my DC, they might be slightly too young

My dd is 5 and been to a couple. We generally don't manage the whole thing, but do either the start or the end. You will see plenty of children and people with babies if you go along. My parents were big matches and some of my earliest memories are being pushed in my pram on CND marches in the '80s. I loved it.

Sad!y I don't think we can do this one as I just can't afford to get up to London right now.

Matches = marchers

Oh my, that partition idea is genius. Can we just give all the leavers Wales or maybe the Isle of Wight?

Lurking - Why are you getting wound up about the Scottish Government's views on this? Scotland is part of the UK. The UK is a member of the EU not Scotland in it's own right. Are you suggesting the UK shouldn't say anything unless it refers to Scotland first?

I joined at green park last time. It worked really well - felt like a bit of a cheat as it meant we were close to the front when we got to the rally point without doing all the waiting around at the start

Something MrsLH says was a revelation; was that there are NO RULES.

Start where you want/can. Go as far as you want/can. Leave when you want/can.

Truth be told, we were only planning on walking along Piccadilly, and then turning back. But we got swept up and ended up at Parliament Sq. ...

I despair at the 'intelligence' of leavers