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Westminstenders: Boom. The Brexit Backlash starts to hit.

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RedToothBrush · 27/08/2017 00:49

So it turns out that immigration figures that stated students overstayed were wrong. The home office knew this. And sat on it. Since 2015. Under Theresa.

That smells a bit doesn't it?

Imagine it: "Let's do lunch Paul. I'll cover up and give you a nice immigration story for your front page. In return, crown me PM."

Then tonight BOOM. Labour look like they have made a move. Soft very swishy Brexit. Even less brexity than the Beano Brexit that the Tories have been trying to announce on the quiet over the summer whilst Brexiteers are on holiday.

amp.theguardian.com/global/2017/aug/26/labour-calls-for-lengthy-transitional-period-post-brexit
Labour makes dramatic shift on Brexit and single market
Party opens clear divide with Tories, with support for free movement and paying into EU budgets for up to four years

Labour is to announce a dramatic policy shift by backing continued membership of the EU single market beyond March 2019, when Britain leaves the EU, establishing a clear dividing line with the Tories on Brexit for the first time.

In a move that positions it decisively as the party of “soft Brexit”, Labour will support full participation in the single market and customs union during a lengthy “transitional period” that it believes could last between two and four years after the day of departure, it is to announce on Sunday.

This will mean that under a Labour government the UK would continue to abide by the EU’s free movement rules, accept the jurisdiction of the European court of justice on trade and economic issues, and pay into the EU budget for a period of years after Brexit, in the hope of lessening the shock of leaving to the UK economy. In a further move that will delight many pro-EU Labour backers, Jeremy Corbyn’s party will also leave open the option of the UK remaining a member of the customs union and single market for good, beyond the end of the transitional period.

Why would Labour suddenly do this? It's not just because of the youth vote. What about their leave voters?

Faisal Islam on the subject:
2. On Labour Leavers is very very interesting and involves quite the psephological judgement re the election....
...the calculation appears to be that Labour Leave voters had the chance to vote for Theresa May's brand of Brexit, and bar 5 seats, said No
Was that because Lableave voters were already signalled "hard Brexit"? Or many millions such voters much more concerned about other things?

Have Labour been polling their voters on this?

Theresa has also apparently set her sell by date: Friday 30th August 2019.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-sets-date-shell-quit-11061894.amp
Theresa May sets date she'll quit as Prime Minister - giving herself time to see Britain through Brexit

The longer the transition and the squishier it gets, the more the more you wonder.

Mr Barnier will enjoy his coffee and newspapers tomorrow as he prepares for round two of Brexit talks starting next week.

The question on his mind most: Will David Davis remember to bring his notes this time?

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TheElementsSong · 30/08/2017 21:44

It will be a shame if this one gets overtaken too.

That's exactly the strategy, isn't it?

Artisanjam · 30/08/2017 21:45

Perhaps it was called that because 'the four freedoms' sounds better than the 'three freedoms and one control.'

Thatssomecatchthatcatch22 · 30/08/2017 21:45

QuentinSummers
I mean really FFS. what clearly doesn't get why anyone would post if they weren't being paid

Public sector workers posting during their working hours are being paid...by my taxes. Grin

HashiAsLarry · 30/08/2017 21:45

Ah, they always end up disappearing from here.
When they visit we know they're rankled.

Motheroffourdragons · 30/08/2017 21:47

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Figmentofmyimagination · 30/08/2017 21:47

Fin tech will be fine - don't forget it's the likes of Robert mercer and his shady friends at Cambridge analytica that we have to thank for this whole shoddy mess. Brexit will make vast sums for a tiny group of people.

Artisanjam · 30/08/2017 21:49

Some quality art to brighten the thread. 

Artisanjam · 30/08/2017 21:50

Sorry - it doesn't look like it posted. Google 'trump statue'.

TheElementsSong · 30/08/2017 21:51

Mother yes you're absolutely right.

thecatfromjapan · 30/08/2017 21:52

woman I do wish someone would tell the idiotic "voted in the national interest" Brexit-voters that the 'national interest' they voted in might not have been the UK's.

BiglyBadgers · 30/08/2017 21:52

When they visit we know they're rankled.

Its like a brexit barometer. As long as we've got at least one brexiteer failing to argue any coherent points while spouting random insults and one liners we know the remainers are still in with a shot.

Artisanjam · 30/08/2017 21:53

Fintech might not be fine. At the moment it's probably okay because the IT infrastructure to support the city is in place and more advanced than elsewhere in Europe. It doesn't mean other countries can't and won't catch up quickly which would take the 'fin' bit out. Or so I was being told at length over the weekend.

thecatfromjapan · 30/08/2017 21:54

Figment It might be but ... my fintech friend doesn't know any Brexiters. There was pretty much a day of mourning in his company on the day of the result.

BiglyBadgers · 30/08/2017 21:55

So, that new Activate group is going well then...Confused

Young Tory activists caught discussing 'gassing chavs' and 'shooting peasants' in leaked WhatsApp group
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-gassing-chavs-whatsapp-messages-group-chat-activate-members-leaked-a7921086.html?amp

Thatssomecatchthatcatch22 · 30/08/2017 21:58

HashiAsLarry
When they visit we know they're rankled
I can't begin to tell you how rankled I am by you Hashish. I have trouble speaking and sleeping.

thecatfromjapan · 30/08/2017 22:00

Artisan Yes. Friend's company is well-established and he's a partner - I think he'll be fine - but he is incandescent, still, after all this time. It's something we now have in common. Grin Mind you, I suspect quite a few of us are still incandescent.

It's also fair to say that a lot of the tech industries in London really are drawn here in part because of the culture. Brexit did (and still) feels like an attack on that. It sounds odd, but I think that is going to have a huge effect on companies like my friend's.

Artisanjam · 30/08/2017 22:01

And reading and spelling correctly apparently. I'm sure you'll get over it .

Thatssomecatchthatcatch22 · 30/08/2017 22:01

Artisanjam

Fintech might not be fine. At the moment it's probably okay because the IT infrastructure to support the city is in place and more advanced than elsewhere in Europe. It doesn't mean other countries can't and won't catch up quickly which would take the 'fin' bit out.

Startlingly compelling and nuanced insight . You certainly know a LOT about the industry. You should set up your own firm in EU land.

RandomlyGenerated · 30/08/2017 22:02

Would that be the Braying Classes as opposed to the Chattering Classes?

I bet they all wear FRTs as well.

HashiAsLarry · 30/08/2017 22:03

Its like a brexit barometer. As long as we've got at least one brexiteer failing to argue any coherent points while spouting random insults and one liners we know the remainers are still in with a shot.
Grin very true
Having said that, the quality has massively dropped of late.

Thatssomecatchthatcatch22 · 30/08/2017 22:03

thecatfromjapan
What's stopping your friend setting up in Dublin or Paris? Frankfurt? Sofia?

thecatfromjapan · 30/08/2017 22:06

Bigly I saw that on Twitter. Can't.quite. believe. it.

It's not very Momentum, is it?

I'm not sure that's going to appeal to the majority of young people - who appear to have sympathies far more like my own. Smile

I've been eating avocado on toast since the days I was a vegan and I was tucking into said breakfast choice when I read another joke about millenials and avocado toast. I've decided I'm boycotting anti-millenial jibes in sympathy.

Artisanjam · 30/08/2017 22:07

I don't need to know much about fintech other that what my neighbour at a supremely fascinating dinner kept telling me - it's not my area or my interest. I just assumed as CIO at a large bank, my neighbour knew what he was talking about. I'll let him know he was wrong because some chatbot says so.

TheElementsSong · 30/08/2017 22:07

Having said that, the quality has massively dropped of late.

I disagree. I was seriously impressed by the "WHY DON'T YOU ALL LEAVE IF YOU HATE THE UK" line of "reasoning". Total winner of an argument. All it needed was a mike drop at the end Grin.

thecatfromjapan · 30/08/2017 22:08

That's ... because he likes London/the UK.

Unlike the Brexiteer-racketeers, he actually likes the UK. Angry

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