Westminsterenders: The Ersatz ImitationThread

[OlennasWimple]

I am no RedToothBrush, so I'm not going to try to emulate her exception OP style.

Here, though, in the interests of carrying on our conversations about WTF is going on with Brexit and the weird political world we find ourselves in right now, is a sort of continuation thread

(Hurry back Red, we need you!)

David Schneider @ davidschneider
Neymar is good but surely he's not worth £198m. To put it into context, for that money PSG could have bought two DUP MPs.

A footballer or two DUP MPs.

An article from the Daily Mail in 2017:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4755172/amp/Countess-s-Indian-houseman-devoted-life-family.html
A corner of Wiltshire where the Raj never died: Enchanting tale of the Countess and the Indian who's devoted his life to her family for 60 years

So many things about that article. The Raj, the indian knowing his place, the aristocracy, the stuffy formality, the racism...

Sam Coates Times @ Samcoatestimes
Has Philip Hammond given away the Falklands yet
From 4 mins ago.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/government-acids-acid-attacks-deregulation-act-conservatives-poisons-board-a7856041.html?amp
Government ignored expert advice and relaxed laws on sale of acids used in recent attacks

Exclusive: Tory ministers boasted of 'cutting red tape' as they relaxed regulations on selling dangerous acids - a change campaigners say could have made recent attacks more likely

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/03/sexual-health-services-government-cuts-tipping-point
Government cuts 'leave sexual health services at tipping point'
With demand rising, councils say patients face longer waits to see a specialist and efforts to tackle outbreaks could be hit

Gosh that sounds Republican.

Brake, the Liberals and the Independent are all such fanatical remainers they are utterly worthless sources of information on any matter to do with Brexit.

If the EU wants to move the European Medicines Agency away from London that's up to them. If they failed to negotiate the correct terms for concluding the tenancy early, any associated costs are down to them, not us, and they can whistle for the money the same as they can whistle for their illegal 'divorce' bill. Any EMA staff who wish to relocate to the EU leave with my blessing; those who wish to stay will have no problem finding well paid and productive work in the UK. Our international standing in pharma was the main reason the EU located this facility here in the first place.

And Brexit is not about money, it's about sovereignty. Britain is not for sale and we will not be threatened or bribed to stay in the EU.

Oohhh we have a biter. Been a while

Britain is not for sale

Tell the government that, quick, before they sell us off to Donald Trump.

Actually, I'm not sure that a second referendum would be the ideal way of resolving it

Because you already know what the referendum will be:

^Following the intense efforts of her majesties government in securing the best terms for the UK to leave the EU, which option do you prefer:

(A) - Accepting the deal negotiated (commonly known as "soft Brexit")
(B) - Rejecting the deal negotiated (commonly known as "Hard Brexit")

And Brexit is not about money, it's about sovereignty.

The greater the sovereignty, the greater the responsibility.

The UK can already do whatever it wants. Same as Russia, China, the US, or any other sovereign country.

Of course sovereignty->responsibility->consequences involves 3 ideas simultaneously. And as was pointed out upthread that's one too many for the Brexit brigade. After all, ask them the time, and they forget what year it is.

The ideal referendum question would be
(A) - Accepting the deal negotiated (commonly known as "soft Brexit")
(B) - Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU
(commonly known as "retaining proportional control)
Actually I would prefer a free parliamentary vote in the country's best interests that finds that there is no better deal than being in the EU.

Wholly You are clearly not familiar with the way the bottom has fallen out of the job market in Science since June last year. Combination of funding uncertainty, the 13% of nationals from EU countries involved in Science research who have already left the country and taken their research with them, uncertainty about whether the UK will still be part of the EU frameworks that level the playing fields so that research can be most effective (not just funding but regulation and standards ) and Pharma companies reviewing their strategies and locations and therefore requiring applicants to be in possession of an EU passport other than British. Science is really feeling the damage done by the vote, which is why the vast majority of those working in Science. (Along with the knowledge economy generally voted to stay in the EU. Students emerging from universities after five years of intensive study and equipped with firsts and amazing CVs built up as a result of involvement in cutting edge research cannot find jobs. Every entry level job that appears on the market is getting 100+ applications. It is a crisis, so no those skilled and talented Scientists in the EMA are not going to have no problem finding well paid productive work......

A story on the BBC website yesterday - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40803267

Brexit: Job advert reveals UK trade dispute plans

"The government has revealed through a job advert how it plans to tackle unfair trade after Brexit.

A new body called the UK Trade Remedies Organisation will be set up to tackle allegations of unfair competition and investigate complaints.

The online advert for a digital design lead said the organisation needs to be up and running by October 2018 - ahead of the UK's exit in March 2019.

The UK can then enforce its own trade rules - a job currently done by the EU.

"This is a challenging deadline and the Trade Remedies Implementation Team is being formed to ensure this is effectively delivered on time," read the advert.

The organisation will be an "arm's length body" of the Department for International Trade.

The group's implementation team - which the new recruit will join - will be responsible for hiring 130 staff and designing the organisation, including its IT, HR and finance structures.

However, prospective candidates have been warned they will be working in a "changing and uncertain environment", with changes to policy possible as "thinking develops", as legislation moves through parliament, and because of the on-going negotiation with the EU.

"This is a brand new function in the UK and delivering a fully functional and fit-for-purpose organisation by October 2018 is a huge challenge," read the advert."

Wholly father why are 'Brake, the Liberals and the Independent' utterly worthless sources of information when reporting facts? Granted you may not agree with opinions.

Why is meetng our contractural financial obligations to EU programmes illegal?

The main reason the EMEA (as it was then) was located in London is because it was fought for, tooth and nails, by Thatcher and then Major. Germany got the EMI and it's successor the ECB. France had the parliament. Of the 12 (only expanded to 15 in '95) UK was the next big honcho. It was a prestigious prize.

www.theglobalist.com/germany-more-lenient-on-brexit/
An interesting email exchange between the editors of the globalist and telegraph. Sums it up quite nicely.

Brexit reveals Britain's enduring flaws, ruling a country on rhetoric, the insularity of the ruling class and delusions of grandeur. This is ringing especially true having caught up on the threads recently www.ft.com/content/b3d62bcc-7713-11e7-90c0-90a9d1bc9691

Oh flip, the paywall has descended but if you Google the FT and the article title "Brexit reveals Britain's enduring flaws" you will be able to bypass it

My worry with another Referendum is that you would not be able to trust the Mail, Express or Telegraph not to have screaming headlines pro a hard Brexit, and whip up enough fervour to swing public opinion behind them, even though people are waking up to Brexit not promising the wonders that BoJo and co said it would.

Most people were not, and are not, particularly bothered about the EU. Indeed even the Brexit Arms people have said that they are bored with it, when their thread ought to be brimming with debate and fizzing with ideas about what sort of future they are aiming for. Ditto with BoJo - if Brexit was so wonderful he should have rushed to throw his hat into the ring for the PMs job.

*If the EU wants to move the Medicines' agency that's up to them...

Er no it isn't. We are the ones acting on the referendum opinion to leave. The EU would happily have left the EMA where it was whilst we were a member state.

It's one of the many tragedies to lose that prestige, expertise, jobs and revenue.

Why would anyone seek a break clause in the lease when we were a member?

I am guessing some money will be recoverable if the building can be re let.That won't help with the lost expertise, jobs etc though....

If there was a second ref (shockingly) maybe we could have a temporary press moratorium whereby any opinion piece published has to have an equally prominent piece addressing the other point of view?!

Doubt the MPs would vote for that, and then how do you achieve a balance in social media?

My worry with another Referendum is that you would not be able to trust the Mail, Express or Telegraph not to have screaming headlines pro a hard Brexit,

Something that I have tried to find out since June 8th (without much success which is of itself interesting ) is some sort of breakdown of how many people who read the aforementioned rags actually vote ?

I am sure there was a brief hint after the election suggesting that for all their hysteria fewer Sun/Mail readers were voting than ever before. (Which the outcome of the election kind of proves ?).

That being the case, it's probably best to ignore the aforementioned rags, and concentrate where voters opinions are formed.

If the EU wants to move the Medicines' agency that's up to them...

I am surprised that the Brexiters want to hang onto it, and are not saying that it's got to leave, being a hated EU institution.

Any EMA staff who wish to relocate to the EU leave with my blessing; those who wish to stay will have no problem finding well paid and productive work in the UK. Our international standing in pharma was the main reason the EU located this facility here in the first place.

You high on what exactly? Can you please send something my way? I badly need that sort of delusion to feel happy.
My lab had NO Britishers in it literally. I mean LITERALLY. They brought in shotloads of money with their work too. Now that will go elsewhere and rightly so too. What qualification and credentials do you have to say that we don't need the ones who are leaving? I am genuinely interested to know what qualification and experience you have to make such a claim.

One very big issue here is the way people have no understanding of how medicinal sciences and biological sciences work. When Bill Gates said life sciences are one of the three fields where new students should focus to stay employed, he was absolutely spot on.
You need ages and ages to solve one research problem simply because you are trying to solve a "problem" created by the nature's efficient evolution processes over million and millions of years. You
It is utter bollocks to say we don't need the scienctists who wish to leave (because of course the cheeky fuckers want their baby projects to stay funded ten or fifteen years down the line! How dare they plan for future eh?). We need every pair of hands we can get because that is where the world is going.
I posted it elsewhere too but I repeat here: no Indian/Pakistani/Chinese doctor or scientist is taking up the job of an A-level graduate FFS. You have GOT to get the best talent or you will become insigficant very quickly because the rest of the world has big blocks of science working together, some with very high population. What are we? An island off the coast of European Union hell bent on throwing away the talent they have attracted so far.

One very big issue here is the way people have no understanding of how medicinal sciences and biological sciences work.

Still, it is very enlightening to see the kind of bone-headed, jingoistic, pseudo-religious ignorance that constitutes a Leaver argument on science.

For an encore, I would request an essay on EURATOM, please.