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Brexit

Westministenders: Transition

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2017 22:02

Last thread opener, it was all about the government buzz word being shown to listen at every opportunity.

Now transition is creeping in as people realise that no we can't just do a settlement, arrange a new trade deal with the EU and have a whole host of other deals in place in two years.

Who'd have thought.

We will be getting Brexit because we give in to threats of terrorism. Not quite getting how that takes back control.

But Brexit will be good. It will be glorious. And in the long term we will be better off for it.

Er ok.

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HashiAsLarry · 24/07/2017 10:17

lonely it's something oft talked about on these threads. The lib dems are held to a higher standard than other parties. Whilst tuition fees was crap, it pales into significance compared to some of what the Tories and Labour have pulled in the past, but it's ok because they're the Tories and labour Hmm the Tories got us into this particular mess, and people still voted for them in droves a couple of months back. Probably another good sign of how badly broken our system is.

LurkingHusband · 24/07/2017 10:38

The problem with the LibDems is they're really into evidence for policies, and the British public isn't. So that's pretty much that for them.

Gumpendorf · 24/07/2017 10:45

I wanted to vote Lib Dem at the last election because they were the only party standing in my constituency to oppose Brexit.

I voted Labour because the Lib Dems had no chance of winning and the Tories did. My aim was to minimise the expected Tory landslide. Grin

Since 2010, the Lib Dem vote in my constituency has gone from just under 10000 to under 2000 in 2015 and under 1000 in 2017. We're in a 2 party system with both parties wanting Brexit. 48% of us have been effectively disenfranchised.

still waiting for grown ups

Mrsmartell08 · 24/07/2017 11:11

Lib dems fielded a brexiter in my constituency

LurkingHusband · 24/07/2017 11:14

I voted Labour because the Lib Dems had no chance of winning and the Tories did. My aim was to minimise the expected Tory landslide.

Ditto.

Of course now you are part of the "80% of voters support Brexit" narrative. Sad

LurkingHusband · 24/07/2017 11:18

Shrinkflation

has been going on pre-Brexit (so presumably easier to disguise Brexit price rises) ...

twofingerstoEverything · 24/07/2017 11:19

If you voted Labour, but don't support Brexit, please write and tell them this. It will not do for Corbyn etc to believe in the "80% now support Brexit" narrative, which is clearly bullshit. They need to know you voted for them despite their Brexit stance, not because of it.

their contact details are here

You will receive an anodyne standard response, but at least the message will be getting through!

LurkingHusband · 24/07/2017 11:34

If you voted Labour, but don't support Brexit, please write and tell them this.

Let me see ...

emailed my MP (via writetothem):

12th June - no reply (writetothem chased up 26th)
Re-emailed 28th June - no reply (writetothem chased up 18th July)

emailed local Labour party on 17th July - no reply yet.

So as far as my (new) Labour MP is concerned, it's been complete radio silence Sad

Amazingly, Gisela Stuart was a star in this regards - she always replied to me ...

If the Labour party want to commit themselves to Brexit, the it has to be LibDem for me (which - if repeated - would let a Tory in by all calculations).

LurkingHusband · 24/07/2017 11:36

No disrespect to any other posters, but I'd strongly suggest using this site to contact your MP

www.writetothem.com/

as it logs your query, and chases it up, so you can get/leave an idea of how good your MP is at replying to constituents.

Gumpendorf · 24/07/2017 11:44

Of course now you are part of the "80% of voters support Brexit" narrative.

which - if repeated - would let a Tory in by all calculations

So much for political representation. Sad

I'm afraid losing me as a Labour voter is unimportant to my MP (and probably the party) given the constituency is strongly Brexit. The MP has always been strongly self interested.

SapphireStrange · 24/07/2017 12:03

twofingers, believe me, I've tried!

Mine replies my asking me 'What about all the people who had never voted before but voted in the referendum? If we didn't respect their views they'd never vote again.'

I'd love to write back 'TBH anyone who voted Leave because of bendy bananas/marauding Poles/a glorious economic future selling haggis to the USA shouldn't be allowed a vote anyway,' but I'm aware that I mustn't say that.

Her/my constituency was massively Remain. But she is an ultra-Corybnista, will only stop representing this area when she dies, like the Pope, and our Lib Dem candidate came in a distant third after some Tory cuntess, so

ElenaGreco123 · 24/07/2017 12:12

My MP would not go against Corbyn. What should I do? She always answers to my emails, but toes the party line of the moment.
I have told DH that I am done with Labour, but that would have no effect on my MP's almost 20,000 majority.

LurkingHusband · 24/07/2017 12:15

Anyone else hear Johnny Rottens voice saying:

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated ?

twofingerstoEverything · 24/07/2017 12:30

No disrespect to any other posters, but I'd strongly suggest using this site to contact your MP

Yes, BUT, many people will have voted Labour and NOT have ended up with a Labour MP, so better to write direct to the Labour Party if this is the case in your constituency.

ElenaGreco123 · 24/07/2017 12:32

Jay Rayner was asked to share his expertise with Michael Gove - instead he wrote this brutal open letter

He was recently asked to speak at a round table discussion on 25 July to give him "food for thought in the early days of the new job" as Secretary of State for the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.

He declined the offer, and his reasons were as follows:

After much hard thought, I have concluded I am just not grown up enough to play the game of British politics and sit in a room with a man of whom I think so little.
Yes, he may have done good by bringing in free school meals while at Education. Yes, he made positive moves while at Justice.
But since then he has disgraced himself. He was one of those who continued the £350 million-a-week EU lie and led us down the disastrous path to the utter folly of Brexit. He has been revealed to be a plotter and a conniver and all-round rather nasty piece of work. No, I cannot sit in a room with him and make talk, small, large or otherwise. Sorry. I’m just not that guy.
…
In the early 1990s Britain’s self-sufficiency in food reached its highest in modern times.
We were producing just over 70 per cent of all the food we were eating.
Since then the story has been one only of decline.
We now produce 60 per cent of our own food, but because of exports only around 50 per cent of the food we eat is actually produced here.

He finished the written statement as follows:

I find it extraordinary that, in the correspondence inviting me to the meeting of food experts called by you, your colleague Fiona Gately said that Brexit would not be part of the discussion. She later retracted that verbally; said it was of course something we could discuss. The point I made to her then and I make now is that, where our food supply is concerned, Brexit is the only subject. It is implicated in every single aspect of our food supply chain and risks imperilling the very health of the nation.
A few years ago, when discussing food security in the UK, Lord Cameron of Dillington – a farmer and first head of the Countryside Agency – said Britain was just ‘nine meals from anarchy’. It would take just three days of empty supermarket shelves, just three days of meals missed by hungry children and despairing parents, for the country to descend into massive civil unrest.
When I first heard that statement I regarded it as an interesting and diverting piece of hyperbole. Now it feels to me like a prediction.
Of all the things that were said to me when I was researching my recent an article on the importance of migrant labour to our food supply chain, the one that stayed with me most came from Ian Wright of the Food and Drink Federation: ‘If you can’t feed a country you haven’t got a country’.
Amen to that.

www.indy100.com/article/michael-gove-jay-rayner-sarah-vine-7856676

LurkingHusband · 24/07/2017 12:33

Yes, BUT, many people will have voted Labour and NOT have ended up with a Labour MP, so better to write direct to the Labour Party if this is the case in your constituency.

Fair point ... I'm lumbered with a Labour MP, but not everyone is so lucky.

twofingerstoEverything · 24/07/2017 12:34

Just to add... it might also be worth reminding the Labour party that most unions did not support Brexit. They may well have some leave constituencies, but 65% of Labour voters voted Remain according to YouGov

twofingerstoEverything · 24/07/2017 13:00

Will of the people, Theworld, innit?

Theworldisfullofidiots · 24/07/2017 13:05

You know those consent cartoons....the cup if tea thing....I wish someone would do a Brexit version. In fact, I think I might....

Mistigri · 24/07/2017 13:27

The problem with the LibDems is they're really into evidence for policies, and the British public isn't. So that's pretty much that for them.

This is such a good point. Explains where the LDs are overrepresented on this thread but I hardly know any in RL.

Ironically LH I am a LD member who would have happily voted Labour at the election, if I'd had a vote, because my old constituency is represented by one of my favourite pro-remain MPs of any political colour (David Lammy). No point in voting LD in Tottenham (Lammy has one of the biggest % vote shares in the country,) and every vote sends a message that his stance on brexit is popular with his constituency.

lonelyplanetmum · 24/07/2017 13:42

All very interesting and sorry if I missed Lib Dem analysis on earlier threads. I tend to lurk quickly when busy at work. I guess whatever the political allegiance of your M.P. and whether you voted for them or not, it can only help to write now explaining either that you voted for them despite their Brexit stance, or did not vote for them because of it.

The other aspect I don't understand is why people can't hold their nose and vote LibDem just for one election.If a single issue ( such as this catastrophe/ exit.. we've been calling it Catsick this week at home) is of sufficient importance to you, then surely you vote,as a one off, for the MP most likely to stop it. You can always return to your party allegiance for all the other elections. If say an average voter experiences 12 elections in a lifetime,surely it's ok to drop a party allegiance as a one off iyswim?

howabout · 24/07/2017 13:54

I agree with your logic lonely which is why I think it is telling that Nick Clegg and Sarah Olney lost their seats and Tim Farron saw his majority slashed.

I understand the reticence for a Remainer in switching from Labour to LibDem if it would result in a Conservative victory. However if it is a 2 horse race between the LibDems and Conservatives then the lack of progress for the LibDems is harder to explain and to me indicates that Owen Jones is correct in his judgement of broad sentiment.

In fact the only place the LibDems made progress was in Scotland against the SNP and on a firm platform against a rerun of Indyref.

AnnieKenney · 24/07/2017 14:00

Oh great.

Fox open to importing US chlorinated chicken

ElenaGreco123 · 24/07/2017 14:11

I have fired off (another) email to my Labour MP.