Westministenders: Transition

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Last thread opener, it was all about the government buzz word being shown to listen at every opportunity.

Now transition is creeping in as people realise that no we can't just do a settlement, arrange a new trade deal with the EU and have a whole host of other deals in place in two years.

Who'd have thought.

We will be getting Brexit because we give in to threats of terrorism. Not quite getting how that takes back control.

But Brexit will be good. It will be glorious. And in the long term we will be better off for it.

Er ok.

mother this is one of the areas where the current Labour position of resisting any attempt to accelerate the timescale for looking at deviating from EU Law within the Repeal Bill is not necessarily the best approach. There is a lot of Parliamentary support for change and there was a lot of resistance to compliance with EU rules in the first place.

Most actual farmers, as opposed to landowners, are very much in favour of altering the terms of subsidies in favour of activity rather than inactivity whether that be in terms of agricultural production or environmental land management. Good to see Gove taking the bull by the horns so to speak.

Most actual farmers, as opposed to landowners, are very much in favour of altering the terms of subsidies in favour of activity rather than inactivity whether that be in terms of agricultural production or environmental land management. Good to see Gove taking the bull by the horns so to speak

And this needed Brexit ?????????

Yep LH because the UK administers payments (incidentally very badly in the case of Holyrood) but not the terms of the CAP. In other words we give the EU £350m on a bus taken from one group and they give us it back if we spend it exactly as they say on another group, in this case some of the wealthiest landowners in the country.

Never let the facts get in the way of rhetoric bigchoc

"Good to see Gove taking the bull by the horns so to speak."

Except he's not, is he?

He couldn't care less about the Environment. That's the Punishment Department so far as the Conservatives are concerned (Liz Truss, Andrea Leadsome) and it was the only place TM could think of when she was told she had to have him back in Government.
All he cares about is cutting payments to the farmers, using any means at his disposal.

As bigly says, the environment standards are hard to achieve if you don't have the money to invest or take land out of agriculture, so the only people likely to receive subsidies are the richer landowners. Whilst there's a lot that can be done with CAP to improve it, especially for those at the bottom end, these plans only serve to make the rich richer and poor poorer. Not a surprise though, given its Gove.

It would seem that years of austerity have done nothing to address our borrowing

The ONS data showed that total government debt, excluding public sector banks, stood at £1.75 trillion at the end of June, which is equivalent to 87.4% of gross domestic product (GDP).

Austerity was never really about reducing the deficit. That was always just a smokescreen the Tories have been using to dismantle public services. It really worked as well, mores the pity.

On the subject though, I saw this in the guardian live feed earlier

The UK’s public sector net borrowing requirement jumped to £6.9bn in June 2017, which is £2bn more than in June 2016.

Isn't that about what May paid for the DUP...

Last I checked we hadn't had much actual austerity as GO and co spend most of the public sector and benefit savings on tax cuts. Stagnant GDP per head for the last 7 years has not helped either.

Hashi you are forgetting about the bus again . I don't think, from reporting of Goveby BBC, the strategy is to take land out of agriculture - a difference with current EU policy. Scots have a preference for sheep, highland cattle, deer and grouse managed land over reforestation and lynx and wolves as suggested by some would be environmentalists.

According to the BBC the problem is inflation increasing the cost of Government borrowing on index linked securities - that means yet more wealth transfer to the 50+ generation who were lucky enough to be able to buy these and away from the student generation paying inflation + on their loans.

A bit of Larry Elliott from my wee echo chamber.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/21/capitalism-fat-cats-brexit-leaving-eu

Talking in the big red bus of lies, gove confirmed to several journos today that the subsidies will come from the £350m per week saving. That saving that never existed. So I suspect this will be another failed to get anywhere last rhetoric stage pob policy.

But sadly there are sadly still a lot of people who, like bees with glass, can't see through his exceptional transparency.

*passed not last

*past
On an unrelated note, anyone know if a Samsung phone stops being so nuts on autocorrect? I don't have this issue on iPad.

Fraid not
Mines a pita

Last I checked we hadn't had much actual austerity as GO and co spend most of the public sector and benefit savings on tax cuts.

There has been plenty of austerity just, as you say, only for the poor

Howabout I have read the piece by Larry Elliott, but I just can't agree with him.

France is in the EU and has industries that are state-owned. Germany is in the EU and has an economy that doesn't depend on the financial sector. Sweden is in the EU and its citizens seem happy to pay high taxes to fund good public services and extended parental leave.

It is not evil EU bankers who have prevented the UK from building a more balanced economy, it's the policies pursued by a succession of democratically elected governments.

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Halle - fucking - lujah
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www.scotsman.com/news/politics/downing-st-cancels-nicola-sturgeon-s-right-to-pm-meetings-1-4510625

How to win friends and influence people - May style.

I look forward to Scottish Tories losing their seats.

France is in the EU and has industries that are state-owned

The whole "The EU prevents us nationalising industries" line which - if Corbyn were to actually address Brexit is what I suspect he'd cite as reasons to press on with it - is a load of bollocks.

There's no reason why a state-owned company shouldn't be running any part of industry under EU rules ... unless the state in question is going to unfairly exclude genuine bidders by subsidising the state bid.

It seems all other EU countries have managed to cope with this rule. Once again, only the EU seems to have a "problem" with it. (See also "human rights").

Jim Waterson @ jimwaterson
Northern Powerhouse latest: Chris Grayling says electrification of Leeds>Manchester railway is facing cancellation.

www.ft.com/content/522c0f8e-6e0f-11e7-bfeb-33fe0c5b7eaa
U-turn on rail schemes hits Northern Powerhouse plan

I can not stress how bloody stupid this is. We don't need fucking HS2. We do need this. Dreadful decision.

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/07/tory-councillor-defects-after-facing-intimidation-in-the-gents-for-speaking-out-over-expenses/#more-66133
TORY COUNCILLOR DEFECTS AFTER FACING INTIMIDATION “IN THE GENTS” FOR SPEAKING OUT OVER EXPENSES

Article about the damning report on the government approach to immigration and its ability to control it.

http://www.holyrood.com/articles/comment/when-it-comes-immigration-theresa-may-seems-have-no-idea-what-she-doing

Mentions how they were told that it was too expensive to collate information on how many homeless people are being deported (because they aren't exercising Treaty rights) but they're being deported anyway, whether or not it is legal.

howabout Are you genuinely happy if ALL UK food / farming / agricultural exports to the EU stop for several months ?
Does that really only hurt the very wealthiest farmers ?

Also, are you so confident that the UK can feed itself without imports, if the ports are logjammed ?

What about all the Uk manufacturing industry with Just-In-time production lines, that need to import components without delays - that affects exports to anywhere, not just the EU

Do you have some esoteric reason why we don't need manufacturing exports anymore ?

France is in the EU and has industries that are state-owned

One of the more interesting differences between the UK and French economies is in the area of public-private partnerships, and private sector involvement in public services.

There seems to be less cronyism and more small company involvement - healthcare is a good example, with most biology labs (where you go for blood tests) and imaging labs (ultrasound, xrays etc) that are not located in hospitals being run by relatively small private companies and partnerships. My experience of these is that they are well run and extremely efficient, partly because what they are allowed to charge is largely determined by the state.

A lot of "public" services, like motorways, are run by private companies (contracted by the state), as is a good chunk of the hospital network (if hospital is called a "clinique" it is private, but its patients will almost always be covered by the state health insurance scheme).