If we just cancelled Brexit....

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...do you think there would really be that much fuss?

I posted on the id card thread that it would be much less hassle if we could just cancel Brexit. It got me wishful thinking that this could actually be possible!

Even the most ardent leavers are starting to downplay its likelihood of success. Key figures like Gisela Stuart have admitted it's all been handled disastrously. The economy is starting to look a bit shit before we've even left. According to the pro- leave camp, we all apparently knew there would be a recession but it would still be "worth it" if you're independently wealthy like Garage, IDS or Bojo maybe.

Anyway, I think it would be typically British if we just harrumphed a bit and said "Well, maybe this wasn't such a good idea after all. The referendum was only advisory y'know."

As a nation, we don't tend to like big changes so I think a lot of people would be secretly relieved. There might be a bit of grumbling, and maybe Farage would leave the country in disgust as an added bonus. We could then sweep it under the carpet and pretend it never happened, as the Brits tend to do with some of the more unsavoury parts of our history anyway. It would also save us the humiliation of seeing David Davis try to do any more negotiating.

Who is your MEP, and have you thought of standing for election?

I would rather not say who my MEP is, and I just don't have the energy to stand for election.

The UK opted out of migrant quotas if that is what you are worried about, WhatTo, countries that haven't opted out should take the quotas that were agreed or face consequences, just as with any other international agreement. Imo, the UK should be taking many, many more refugees than it does, the government's unwillingness to do so has been a huge moral failing.

The referendum was not democracy. The leave campaign lied, the campaign suggested that we could stay in the customs union and or common market. Democracy would be to hold a ref on the actual deal. Tusk, Junckers and many of the EU leaders have indicated that this is possible so let's take them up on the offer.

lalalonglegs I was talking about the EU in general, not specifically the U.K. And I was only using the refugees as an example. I don't believe there should be anything that rules over a large group of countries; it just doesn't work.

Fuck that. Each and every country should have the right to decide how many (or few) refugees they want to take in.

www.channel4.com/news/rescued-african-migrants-say-they-are-fleeing-slavery

Fair enough on your MP whattodo

We can all choose how to react.

It's a holocaust in the mediterranean.

I can't remember anyone claiming the EU was perfect but it seemed to work pretty well from where I was standing. Certainly a hell of a lot better than anything that is being suggested as an alternative at the moment. Most of the things that we are told didn't work well were either Brexiteer myths or a case of the UK not implementing using the rules to its own advantage.

woman12345 What is happening in the world that is causing refugees is indeed distressing, but we do need to focus on our country first and forenost, or we won't be able to offer help to others.

We are no good to anyone - our own people or refugees - if our services, schools, hospitals are overstretched.

You can't help others if you first cannot help yourself.

MEP that should have read.

It's always worth telling them what you think, though.

lalalonglegs We shall agree to differ

The U.K. supports fewer refugees than Chad. At least own your selfishness.

Being displaced or a refugee is just incomprehensible to you.

Chad?

Well yes, I am lucky to have never been in the position of being a refugee or being displaced, so it is incomprehensible to me.

The UK opted out of migrant quotas if that is what you are worried about, WhatTo, countries that haven't opted out should take the quotas that were agreed or face consequences

There in lies the rub for me - predominantly one country makes a unilateral descision and applies it to 26 other countries , they have to step up or face the consequences.

Imo, the UK should be taking many, many more refugees than it does, the government's unwillingness to do so has been a huge moral failing.

And we house them where? A large proportion of social housing has been well highlighted in the last two weeks as being dangerous and unfit for habitation.

Losing our compassion means we have lost our humanity.

Neither of which cost money, whattodo. Compassion is free.

Helping refugees was not costed in the holocaust, and can't be now.

That tory thugs have shat on the proletariat in Britain for generations is irrelevant to letting what is happening happen to the 65 million dispossessed.

Including those in Kensington now.

Tory crimes have nothing to do with the EU.

Refugees are Putin's weapon.

An alternative response is compassion, internationalism( if you must believe in nations) and the EU.

decision

And unless you are a celt or a beaker person, you are living on this island because you are of refugee stock.

This is an immigrant and refugee nation, that's why it's done reasonably well until 2016.

I would be so happy if we cancelled Brexit. Champagne in the street kind of happy.

I would also love a proper referendum on Brexit. With no bus decorated in lies and a clearer idea of what leaving the EU might actually mean.

What's the worst that could happen if it were cancelled? A bit of dummy-spitting and frothing from Kipper types who will be dead soon anyway

Disgusting comment, presumably from someone with disgusting political views.

woman12345 I have compassion. I am also a realist; we just don'r have the money, resources or space to take on any more.

It's a shame, but that's just life.

Fair enough whattodo . I don't think we know how rich we are. Or were We used to be a caring people, and helped last time, in WW2, rather than create a migrant crisis, for us. I will agree to disagree. This island was rich because it was an immigrant island.

You've never even heard of Chad, have you?

No, believe it or not I don't know every single one of the 196 countries in the world.

woman12345 I believe we still are a caring people, but there really is only so much we can do.

I think we just disagree on how best to handle things, but that's okay Life would be boring if we were all the same.

Unless we have tried to save every refugee, there is still more to do, but agree to disagree. Life would be boring if we were all the same for sure.

I think there is a bit of playing fast and loose with the difference between refugees and immigrants on this thread.

Everyone but celts and beaker persons on the UK is of refugee stock? What, like those refugee Normans and refugee Vikings?

And I think many of the immigrants to the UK and EU at the present time are immigrants, not refugees. I also think we would be far better helping people in their own countries, if what we actually want to do is help. That way we might even help some women and girls, rather than mainly young men.

Damn the EU, forcing legislation on clean air and water, humane working hours and data protection on us. We will be so well out of it when we can breathe in as many pollutants as we like, swim in filthy water, work until we drop and have our personal data touted about so we can be manipulated and defrauded at will.
Damn the EU and its progressive and humanistic vision.