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Westministenders: The bookends to a year of political chaos. Just how far have we come?

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RedToothBrush · 16/06/2017 18:50

The 15th June 2016.

The Thames was filled with a flotilla of boats in a publicity stunt for the Leave campaign to draw attention to fisheries. Nigel Farage and Kate Hoey in their heads thought they were Leonardo and Kate, but the moment was rather more titanic in nature and could not have been more Alan Partridge if they had tried. Coming up behind was Bob Gedolf in a shameful and cringeworthy display of swearing and abuse that really didn’t help the Remain camp in anyway. Largely unnoticed was a small boat with a family following it all unfold…

The next day things went from fiasco to horror.

Farage unveiled the Dog Whistle Poster and Jo Cox was murdered. And the UK seemed set on its course for 7 days later when the world was turned upside down by the referendum itself.

14th June 2017.

Fast forward 365 days later and another tragedy unfolded. This time of a very different nature but with no less political significance.
Grenfell.

A moment of national shame. A symbol of so many things that had come to pass in the previous twelve months.

The election just the previous week had changed the direction of travel we seemed to be headed and left the Prime Minister exposed and looking wildly out of touch. The Maybot was given one more chance.

And the Maybot seems to be failing the test of her party who had the grace to grant her a second chance.

The Queen dressed in the same shade of blue, May delivered her ‘victory speech’ in, ignored the security threat and visited the ranks of the poor and the forgotten. A deliberate message to May not to forget who she serves? A Queen who feels aggrieved and angry by May’s behaviour? Who knows.

As for Brexit. The government looks lost. Adrift. The ‘Fight of the Summer’ over the EU’s plan for talks sounds out the window despite the denials from the Brexit Department. Hard Brexit is still on the cards. Apparently. But what does anyone believe now? May’s and the Brexiteers domination of the agenda is shattered, its power starting to be questioned.

What next?

This evening the anger is building.

Who knows, what will happen. Some of it might be predictable, but the future is far from certain and we have definitely entered a new era. We just don’t know who will lead it, or what its ambition or what the end goal now is.

What we do know, more acutely than ever is that we are all human and the wise words of Jo Cox about having ‘More in Common’ ring though ever more strongly.

Once again we feel ‘on the brink’.

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Mrsmartell08 · 16/06/2017 20:37

Christ.....

annandale · 16/06/2017 20:45

Oh God help us all, that's unbearable.

woman12345 · 16/06/2017 20:45

^This mother isn't a "scrounger". She was at her cleaning job in the early hours of the morning.
Then her 12-yr-old daughter phoned from Grenfell.
The child is one of the Grenfell missing now^

Guess which skin colour.

This fire was a racial fire.

Last year in Britain was a racial year.

With compassion, on Jo Cox day, silence is complicity.

Flowers all

And a wee girl died.

If 500 white men had died, I think there would have been a more organised response, don't you?

HashiAsLarry · 16/06/2017 20:48

Clive Lewis on defence of Labour 'politicising' this
Why should we be ashamed of calling out an economic&political creed that consigns people & the envmt as little more than units of resource?
I may not necessarily agree with his wording on burning neoliberalism but this point remains true whatever political colour.

woman12345 · 16/06/2017 20:49

Defiant and peaceful march tomorrow. 2pm Whitehall.

The protests are defiant and peaceful - that's a model we should all emulate 👍

@OwenJones84
And that will be the mood of the protest tomorrow, 2pm, Whitehall > www.facebook.com/events/290268031384019/?ti=icl

flippinada · 16/06/2017 20:51

I saw that story earlie,r in the Metro, about the wee girl. Couldn't read any more.

What she must have gone through and what her parents are going through.

God, it's just unbearable. Those poor people. And the way they've been treated.

:(

MangoSplit · 16/06/2017 20:51

Place marking

flippinada · 16/06/2017 20:53

Thanks also @Red for your lovely tribue to Jo.

Does feel like we're on the brink of something.

flippinada · 16/06/2017 20:53

*tribute

OlennasWimple · 16/06/2017 21:05

THanks for another thread, Red (how many are we onto now?)

PinkPeppers · 16/06/2017 21:12

woman I agree.
These people were poor and mainly non white. If they had all being white, richer (and men) the response would have been very different.

RedToothBrush · 16/06/2017 21:15

Thanks for another thread, Red (how many are we onto now?)

I lost count in about October when we were up to about 15.

This is the third in about a week though!

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histinyhandsarefrozen · 16/06/2017 21:16

Are protestors outside the BBC? Why?

Valentine2 · 16/06/2017 21:16

Lots of crap from Johnson and Council but not the police.
Copied this from the last thread Red. Thanks for the new thread.
I have to add something to this incompetency versus conspiracy discussion. I think Allen was wrong to have said those words that way. It wasn't nice to hear that.
This whole situation is not just incompetency though. You can be incompetent and humane. It takes one hell of a lot of incompetency AND apathy to not be able to release a "missing, presumed dead" list. There are 24 hours in one day and night. There is no excuse. No excuse really for this spectacular show of incompetence and apathy, in one place. We saw it with May's visit. We see it in how the council dealt with safety issues and how complicit they are. We are watching in unfold as there is still no such list produced even after such a long time.
I have once seen something slightly similar in a war torn country. There is nothing more torturous than not knowing. Even "missing, presumed dead" is better than no list. it is inhuman to torture these souls so much like this.

HesterThrale · 16/06/2017 21:27

'Why did committed Remainers flock to the pro-Brexit Labour Party?'

This article has 3 theories:

  • they hadn't read the manifesto
  • they have 'got over it'; don't think it's so important any more
  • they voted tactically to frustrate a Tory hard Brexit

What do we think?

politicsmeanspolitics.com/why-did-committed-remainers-flock-to-the-pro-brexit-labour-party-57186e3e7683

RedToothBrush · 16/06/2017 21:29

Valentine there were similar complaints over the Manchester bombing. The whole process needs a review. I think Saqid Khan has made the point.

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 16/06/2017 21:36

Placemarking

TheColdDoesBotherMeAnyway · 16/06/2017 21:40

Hector I can obviously only speak for myself but I voted Labour because my priority was to get the Tories out; my Labour MP is pro Remain and his votes in Parliament reflect this; and the Libdems were unlikely to do well here (I appreciate that this is a self fulfilling prophecy). I find the '80% of voters voted for Brexit supporting parties' galling though. Whilst a complete u turn on Brexit would be my ideal I would accept a Brexit that enabled us to stay in the single market and customs union. And I doubt that I am alone in that sentiment...

I agree with earlier posters that my optimism this time last week has disappeared. I fear we are in for a horrendous summer...

sushiwithcayenne · 16/06/2017 21:42

thanks

HashiAsLarry · 16/06/2017 21:42

hester
My massive issue with the entire 'why did they vote for hard brexit manifestos' is that it generally ignores that there was no remain option. The lib dems had the offer of a 2nd ref, but that only works when if the government fuck up. If you vote them in, obviously you don't expect them to fuck up so even that isn't a remain option. It's arguable to say everyone who voted in this ge voted for brexit in some shade.

Valentine2 · 16/06/2017 21:45

Yes he did make some very good points. It was good to see him there without much protocol.
I should clarify though that I it was the incompetency of Boris and Council that I was talking about, not the police at all. I understand they cannot release information even to the family of victims without certain procedures. So it is not their fault.

woman12345 · 16/06/2017 21:47

Gumpendorf Shock at May interview, even after all she has done to us already.

QuentinSummers · 16/06/2017 21:51

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PinkPeppers · 16/06/2017 21:52

hester I don't think there is any party atm that is really saying No to Brexit.
That has been squashed well and truly by TM in the last year (and that's one thing that she did pretty well TBH).

So the vote has never been about Brexit but about who would be able to lead that in the best way possible.
Labour has always said Brexit but a soft option that will protect the economy. They were the only ones who could oppose TM. So they looked like a sensible option.
LD have said second referendum but even them haven't said No to Brexit as such.
We've passed that time when it was possible to go against Brexit and unfortunately there was no one to really represent the 48% and go against TM and hard brexiters.

The idea that the GE was about Brexit is wrong or deluded or a way to turn things around to say that actually most people (aka Tories + LAbour) want Brexit so where is the problem??