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Westministenders: The bookends to a year of political chaos. Just how far have we come?

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RedToothBrush · 16/06/2017 18:50

The 15th June 2016.

The Thames was filled with a flotilla of boats in a publicity stunt for the Leave campaign to draw attention to fisheries. Nigel Farage and Kate Hoey in their heads thought they were Leonardo and Kate, but the moment was rather more titanic in nature and could not have been more Alan Partridge if they had tried. Coming up behind was Bob Gedolf in a shameful and cringeworthy display of swearing and abuse that really didn’t help the Remain camp in anyway. Largely unnoticed was a small boat with a family following it all unfold…

The next day things went from fiasco to horror.

Farage unveiled the Dog Whistle Poster and Jo Cox was murdered. And the UK seemed set on its course for 7 days later when the world was turned upside down by the referendum itself.

14th June 2017.

Fast forward 365 days later and another tragedy unfolded. This time of a very different nature but with no less political significance.
Grenfell.

A moment of national shame. A symbol of so many things that had come to pass in the previous twelve months.

The election just the previous week had changed the direction of travel we seemed to be headed and left the Prime Minister exposed and looking wildly out of touch. The Maybot was given one more chance.

And the Maybot seems to be failing the test of her party who had the grace to grant her a second chance.

The Queen dressed in the same shade of blue, May delivered her ‘victory speech’ in, ignored the security threat and visited the ranks of the poor and the forgotten. A deliberate message to May not to forget who she serves? A Queen who feels aggrieved and angry by May’s behaviour? Who knows.

As for Brexit. The government looks lost. Adrift. The ‘Fight of the Summer’ over the EU’s plan for talks sounds out the window despite the denials from the Brexit Department. Hard Brexit is still on the cards. Apparently. But what does anyone believe now? May’s and the Brexiteers domination of the agenda is shattered, its power starting to be questioned.

What next?

This evening the anger is building.

Who knows, what will happen. Some of it might be predictable, but the future is far from certain and we have definitely entered a new era. We just don’t know who will lead it, or what its ambition or what the end goal now is.

What we do know, more acutely than ever is that we are all human and the wise words of Jo Cox about having ‘More in Common’ ring though ever more strongly.

Once again we feel ‘on the brink’.

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/06/2017 22:59

The Tories would want to annoint a new leader, rather than have a contest and yet more time in limbo.
The lowest common denominator whom all factions can at least grudgingly accept

Selecting May shows how little MPs know, or care about ministerial ability:

Her civil service nickname at the Home Office was "The Submarine" because she always became invisible whenever there was a problem.

She was infamous there for being ineffective.

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2017 23:00

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4614222/Theresa-fights-political-life.html
Theresa May fights for her political life: Beleaguered PM's 'mea culpa' after disastrous response to Grenfell tower block tragedy as she faces Cabinet split over Brexit

Subheadline
Poll finds that 69 per cent of voters favour a soft exit from the European Union

This.Is.The.Mail.

Poll by Survation. The one who were closest to the election result.

Brexit-supporting MPs say they fear Mrs May’s political weakness is allowing Chancellor Philip Hammond to swing the Government’s position round to a ‘soft’ Brexit in which the UK would remain in the customs union.

However, a Survation poll for this newspaper found that more than two thirds of voters – 69 per cent – support Mr Hammond’s soft Brexit approach. There is also strong opposition to Mrs May’s declaration that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’, with 65 per cent calling for the UK to leave the EU with some form of agreement in place. And there is now a majority in favour of holding a second referendum to approve the Brexit deal.

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/06/2017 23:01

How to Change Tory Election Rules (if they really wanted)

Changes to the rules must be ratified by the Conservative Constitutional College, by 66% of all those who vote and 50% of all eligible to vote.

This college is made up of:
+MPs
+MEPs,
+the officers of the Association of +Conservative Peers
+frontbench spokesmen in the Lords
+the members of The National Conservative Convention

mathanxiety · 17/06/2017 23:02

Whatwouldrondo
I would add that built into the whole free market/low regulation ideology is the notion that consumers have a choice, that they can take their business elsewhere. This is hardly ever the case.

Also inherent to the ideology is the idea that redress is possible through the civil courts and that people can and do sue, for instance, a contractor that oversees the installation of flammable cladding as well as the manufacturer of the cladding, when disaster strikes.

DS asked me when the class action lawsuits over Grenfell would begin. He takes US practice for granted.

annandale · 17/06/2017 23:03

Why isn't Spreadsheet Phil in the running for leadership ? Does he murder kittens or something? He always seems quite sensible.

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2017 23:05

Jo Pike @jopike (ITV)
NEW: Govt announces rare 2-year parliamentary session to give MPs the time to consider Brexit legislation. Just 1 Queen's Speech for 2 yrs.

What are implications of this?!

Is it a deal with the palace for fucking up Ascot for the Queen?!!!!

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ArleneFostersNegotiatingFace · 17/06/2017 23:12

anna I don't know. Someone on the radio/a podcast suggested him, saying he would be dull but safe, maybe what they need right now.

mathanxiety · 17/06/2017 23:12

I think Jeremy Cliff may be on to something. This may be a watershed in politics and culture.

However, I agree too with BigChoc's thoughts wrt LME's alleged competitive edge - it certainly gave individuals or certain classes of people within the economy an edge but overall I do not see any evidence to support anything but relative decline.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 17/06/2017 23:21

However, a Survation poll for this newspaper found that more than two thirds of voters – 69 per cent – support Mr Hammond’s soft Brexit approach. There is also strong opposition to Mrs May’s declaration that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’, with 65 per cent calling for the UK to leave the EU with some form of agreement in place. And there is now a majority in favour of holding a second referendum to approve the Brexit deal

This was in the Mail Shock. The actual Daily fucking Mail Shock

I'm staggered.

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2017 23:22

No Queens Speech next year. No vote of confidence in the Queens Speech...

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annandale · 17/06/2017 23:25

I don't think 'dull' is really an option, but he struck me as quite pragmatic, which i think is a good quality. Stary true believers like daniel hannan and st jeremy do scare the life out of me.

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2017 23:26

Actually it's Sunday tomorrow isn't it. The Mail on Sunday is proRemain due to some barmy feud between Dacre and George Greig. They hate each other so much they just take the opposite editorial line to piss off the other.

So maybe not as big a revelation.

But they do share the same website. The comments on that must be in meltdown.

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/06/2017 23:30

Loathsome:

"We will build the broadest possible consensus for our Brexit plans, and that means giving Parliament the maximum amount of time to scrutinise these bills by holding a two-year session of Parliament."

www.itv.com/news/2017-06-17/queens-speech-scrapped-next-year-under-plans-for-a-two-year-term-to-deliver-brexit/

"Next year's Queen's Speech will be scrapped under plans designed to ease the way for a raft of laws taking the UK out of the European Union.
The highly unusual change was announced by Andrea Leadsom, the Leader of the House of Commons.
She said the move would allow MPs and peers more time to scrutinise legislation around Brexit."

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2017 23:32

Ben Goldacre @ Bengildacre
One thing conspicuously missing: TV footage of police carrying boxes of documents and computers out of Grenfell's management offices...
That's not to say I'm prejudging their culpability in any way. But dozens of people are dead, there is extensive public concern that...
... Shortcuts were taken. Police locking down the documents would prevent any tampering, but also send a clear message that this is all..
... Being taken seriously. Because right now the opposite is the case, and that way riots lie. It would also make staff blood run cold..
... And that is no bad thing, to exploit personal anxiety to make people in bureaucratic roles take the impact of their choices seriously.
I apologise for going on about this, but I am truly staggered by the lack of competent response to Grenfell, inadequate immediate support..
.. For victims, a PM so afraid to meet the public that there is no public reassurance, and a fair impression that accountability is lacking
Raiding offices and taking copies of documents does not presume guilt, it's public diplomacy,public reassurance, and a wise precaution. End.

He's right...

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RedToothBrush · 17/06/2017 23:33

And that is @bengoldacre typoed.

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 17/06/2017 23:35

Oh good, I thought someone had got in there first & nicked his twitter handle.

ArleneFostersNegotiatingFace · 17/06/2017 23:35

red what is it with these people? Taking different editorial lines, backing the Leave campaign, having a referendum in the first place because of feuds and petty reasons and general bollocks. Oh and osborne's burns against TM in the ES. The first one raised a smile, now it's petty, unprofessional and embarrassing. When the fuck will they grow up?

HashiAsLarry · 17/06/2017 23:36

anna
On previous threads those of us who've worked with him or know people who do think highly of him for his pragmatism. If judging by deeds still exists he's not a bad Tory at all.
But... that's what makes him a great chancellor or at least great chancellor material. Not sure that works for pm.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/06/2017 23:39

Observer - Revealed: the tower block fire warnings that ministers ignored

"Fire chief tells of repeated rebuffs by ministers "

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/17/tower-block-fire-warnings-grenfell-victims

OlennasWimple · 17/06/2017 23:49

BigChoc - I've never heard that nickname used for TM before. I know that she shied away from in person meetings, preferring to make decisions based on submissions rather than discussion. And that she - and Nick and Fi - were micromanagers, which is almost impossible in a department as big as the HO. But she was generally invisible, not just when there was trouble.

OlennasWimple · 17/06/2017 23:51

I am impressed with the efficiency of the police and courts service that has seen a man charged and sentenced for opening a body bag and posting the pictures onto Facebook - and all within the last few days. It's a sharp contrast to the general heel dragging that seems to be going on more generally

ArleneFostersNegotiatingFace · 17/06/2017 23:57

Btw that was to your post about Paul dacre, not Ben goldacre.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/06/2017 23:58

My attention was drawn to some good news today:

The French Front National has been having internal party rows after their disappointing performance in the presidential election: whether they should drop Frexit (after seeing the Brexit mess), whether to go more / less racist.

Now in the Parliamentary elections just finished, they only got 13% of the vote.
Their supporters are reportedly very disillusioned with the party

ArleneFostersNegotiatingFace · 18/06/2017 00:00

They referred to TM as the submarine once on HIGNFY. Can't remember if recently or not.

OhtoblazeswithElvira · 18/06/2017 00:08

Why isn't Spreadsheet Phil in the running for leadership ? Does he murder kittens or something? He always seems quite sensible.

He is biding his time I think. I don't think TM has hit rock bottom yet.

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