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Westministenders: The bookends to a year of political chaos. Just how far have we come?

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RedToothBrush · 16/06/2017 18:50

The 15th June 2016.

The Thames was filled with a flotilla of boats in a publicity stunt for the Leave campaign to draw attention to fisheries. Nigel Farage and Kate Hoey in their heads thought they were Leonardo and Kate, but the moment was rather more titanic in nature and could not have been more Alan Partridge if they had tried. Coming up behind was Bob Gedolf in a shameful and cringeworthy display of swearing and abuse that really didn’t help the Remain camp in anyway. Largely unnoticed was a small boat with a family following it all unfold…

The next day things went from fiasco to horror.

Farage unveiled the Dog Whistle Poster and Jo Cox was murdered. And the UK seemed set on its course for 7 days later when the world was turned upside down by the referendum itself.

14th June 2017.

Fast forward 365 days later and another tragedy unfolded. This time of a very different nature but with no less political significance.
Grenfell.

A moment of national shame. A symbol of so many things that had come to pass in the previous twelve months.

The election just the previous week had changed the direction of travel we seemed to be headed and left the Prime Minister exposed and looking wildly out of touch. The Maybot was given one more chance.

And the Maybot seems to be failing the test of her party who had the grace to grant her a second chance.

The Queen dressed in the same shade of blue, May delivered her ‘victory speech’ in, ignored the security threat and visited the ranks of the poor and the forgotten. A deliberate message to May not to forget who she serves? A Queen who feels aggrieved and angry by May’s behaviour? Who knows.

As for Brexit. The government looks lost. Adrift. The ‘Fight of the Summer’ over the EU’s plan for talks sounds out the window despite the denials from the Brexit Department. Hard Brexit is still on the cards. Apparently. But what does anyone believe now? May’s and the Brexiteers domination of the agenda is shattered, its power starting to be questioned.

What next?

This evening the anger is building.

Who knows, what will happen. Some of it might be predictable, but the future is far from certain and we have definitely entered a new era. We just don’t know who will lead it, or what its ambition or what the end goal now is.

What we do know, more acutely than ever is that we are all human and the wise words of Jo Cox about having ‘More in Common’ ring though ever more strongly.

Once again we feel ‘on the brink’.

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TatianaLarina · 17/06/2017 19:19

This could be another Hillsborough. Arguing for the next 20 years who was responsible for what and how many died.

That's right woman12345 This Indy article publishes some of the letter

Link

TatianaLarina · 17/06/2017 19:22

Quote:

Written on the instructions of the borough solicitor, the letter goes on: “I would also ask that you remove from your blog unfounded accusations against named individuals which are your personal opinion and likely to be considered defamatory and also likely to be perceived as harassment by the individuals concerned.

“I would be grateful if you could contact Vimal Sama immediately to confirm that you have removed the offending blog and that you will refrain from making unsubstantiated accusations of criminal behaviour and personal comments about an individual’s performance or actions whilst working on or for the Estate Management Board.”

"I look forward to receiving your co-operation and await receipt of your confirmation that you will remove your blog on or before 29 July 2013.”

woman12345 · 17/06/2017 19:40

Awful letter Tatiana, and the tip of the iceberg. LA/HA residents must live in a state of anxiety. All sounds like huge breaches of ECHR, posted previously. Thanks for posting.

Yet another march: the austerity one July 1st.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2955639-To-remind-you-of-the-protest-march-in-London-on-July-1st?pg=23

I am looking forward to the time when British politics is consensual and life in Britain is predictable, dull and safe. Smile

woman12345 · 17/06/2017 19:51

Government warned against abandoning school sprinkler guidance
18/11/2016

There are more than 1,500 fires in schools and other educational establishments every year, equivalent to four a day
,
www.abi.org.uk/news/news-articles/2016/08/government-warned-against-abandoning-school-sprinkler-guidance/

DividedKingdom · 17/06/2017 20:09

DH tells me German press reporting that Barnier has a mug on his desk these days; a playful nod to the Great British "Keep Calm and Carry On" genre....but updated with the catch phrase "Keep Calm and Negotiate" Grin

I bet he can't wait to drink a nice strong brew out of that on Monday morning.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/06/2017 20:16

Jeremy Corbyn @jeremycorbyn
Change is coming. Labour will deliver a Brexit for the many not the few, and bring our country together. #ForTheMany

Tories are in no position to negotiate a good Brexit deal, says Jeremy Corbyn
mirror.co.uk t.co/24ZHS3mY71?amp=1

DividedKingdom · 17/06/2017 20:25

Well he's correct. But neither is Labour. Because there is no good Brexit deal.

If he wants to bring the country together, prioritize the economy and repair public services, he's going to have to stay in the single market = not compatible with Brexit.

Can't work out if he's playing a clever long game or just hopelessly naive and actually doesn't understand the basic rules of EU membership. Or a bit of both.

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2017 20:25

Jonathan Coe‏*@jonathancoe*

All Brexit chaos of the last 12 months stems from twisting 52/48 result into strong mandate to leave when it obviously meant 'Don't know'.

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WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 17/06/2017 20:30

The EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier said that he expects the British to finally clarify their position since he can not negotiate with himself

Trying to negiotiate Brexit following THAT election result is going to be humiliating.

divided I want a "Keep Calm and Let's All Pretend The Referendum Didn't Happen" mug.

However I think that most of the UK are drinking out of a "Keep Calm and Ignore the Brexit Car Crash" mug.

TatianaLarina · 17/06/2017 20:36

Can't work out if he's playing a clever long game or just hopelessly naive and actually doesn't understand the basic rules of EU membership. Or a bit of both

Me neither. My gut says naive and determined to deliver what his voters think they want, without having read the small print. But he may be more astute than I give him credit for.

whatwouldrondo · 17/06/2017 21:00

Pain Interesting but I can't help feeling we should aim for evolution not revolution. The twitter you posted earlier about how you negotiate with EU was on the money. We have moved a long way away from when politicians like Ed Balls were thinking about the issues. Apart from WMD I do not think the Labour administration was anywhere near as bad as people on each side of the political divide made them out to be. I think they tried to be pragmatic.

I think few politicians get that the nations prosperity is not a right, you cannot responsibly go heading into any massive ideologically driven gamble on the UK's competitive advantage when some of the biggest and most successful (in terms of growth) economies in the world are so agile and economically / pragmatically driven..... The government's Brexit strategy is anything but

frumpety · 17/06/2017 21:23

Oh bless Andrew Lilico , looks like that new Brussels office might have been a bit premature , not that he was going to make a personal fortune out of brexit , oh no Hmm

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 17/06/2017 21:43

pain

Thanks so much for that link to the Varieties of Capitalism program.

Fascinating stuff. I really hope Britain is ready for a big culture shift to a more coordinated market economy.

I don't know if Britain is ready yet, broadly speaking I think the under 35s would be up for it as they haven't made their wealth yet. The over 35s maybe not.

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2017 21:53

Successful government is invisible. It only becomes visible when it is frustrating, inefficient, or corrupt.

Which also explains apathy for the EU... as much as anger against the current government.

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ArleneFostersNegotiatingFace · 17/06/2017 21:54

Thanks to whoever answered my tax question, sorry have forgotten who it was. Think it was Clash. (Sorry, been at the Wine) Sounds like a complete nightmare!

ArleneFostersNegotiatingFace · 17/06/2017 21:55

Yes Red.
"The EU are unelected bureaucrats."
"Well we can vote for our MEPs. Did you vote last time?"
"No, don't know who they are"

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2017 22:06

The Sunday Telegraph is carrying the headline:

"May faces the threat of a 'stalking horse' leadership challenge"

which has prompted this response on twitter.

TSE‏*@TSEofPB*
I'm sorry but no @benrileysmith. The Tory rules do NOT allow for a stalking horse. It is a simple vote of no confidence.

That doesn't sound good for May either way.

Daniel Hewitt‏*@DanielHewittITV*
1/Local Church Minister Mark O'Donoghue, who joined #GrenfellTower survivors at No10 said Theresa May "showed a side you don't normally see"
2/ He said Theresa May "welled up" as she listened to the residents' stories. He says she held the hand of a sobbing woman as she told hers.
3/ He said it was quite shocking given the public persona of her.
4/ In fact that account echoes what some Tory MPs were telling me on Monday after the PM faced backbenchers over the election campaign.
5/ One MP said "she came across as a real person" and showed "genuine humility". They said it was a side of her they wish voters had seen.

Matthew Holehouse‏ @mattholehouse
Jeremy Corbyn article on Brexit and single market tomorrow. It's not wholly clear what the policy he seeks is.

Westministenders: The bookends to a year of political chaos. Just how far have we come?
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RedToothBrush · 17/06/2017 22:13

The Stalking Horse article

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/17/secret-plot-oust-theresa-may-ministers-threaten-stalking-horse/
Secret plot to oust Theresa May as ministers threaten ‘stalking horse’ if PM fails to deliver ‘hard’ Brexit

^Theresa Maywill face a “stalking horse” challenge to topple her as Prime Minister if she waters down Brexit, senior Tories have warned.
Leading Eurosceptic MPs have told The Telegraph they are prepared to mount an immediate leadership challenge if Mrs May deviates from her original plan.^

I'm reading this as they are figuring they need to take her out and take control of the party rather that risking a vote of no confidence in the HoC and bringing the government down.

The trouble is, if they do that, isn't that going to alienate the liberal section of the party??

Interesting they are threatening this in the paper the day before Brexit negotiations start. Its almost as if they are worried.

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woman12345 · 17/06/2017 22:17

One does have to consider how gendered the assessment of May is. But in this game, it's the policies and practice that count.

I wonder if her eyes teared up when she deported Irene Clenell or countless others.

it's not wholly clear what the policy he seeks is.

HashiAsLarry · 17/06/2017 22:19

Yes Red.
^"The EU are unelected bureaucrats."
"Well we can vote for our MEPs. Did you vote last time?"
"No, don't know who they are"^

Don't forget:
'But we can't vote for them all'
I can't vote for the mp in the constituency a few roads down ffs.

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2017 22:32

The Sunday Times Headline:

"Tories Tell May: You have ten days"

Up to a dozen MPs are ready to demand a vote of no confidence in May by submitting letters to the backbench 1922 committee

Remember, they need 48 to trigger a leadership challenge.

Their ranks are expect to swell this weekend as MPs consult grassroots grandees about May's faltering response to the Grenfell Tower inferno in West London.

and

Royal sources said the Queen had urged senior royals to give support to those affected wherever it was needed.

and

MPs warned there had been a collective collapse of trust in may's leadership, and a cabinet minister told friends he was "worried about her state of mind." Another minister close to May said: "She had better stop feeling sorry for herself, pull up her socks and start to lead - and if she can't do that she should go. Shape up or ship out".

and

^A former minister added: "She's going to have to go sooner rather than later. The critical moment is June 28 and 29 when there are votes on the Queen's speech. if it looks like they will be lost, you will have to strike".

and

Allies of Boris Johnson and David Davis accused each other of "going on manoeuvers". Leading "remain" backers also plan to have a candidate in place by next week, expected to be the Home Secretary Amber Rudd.

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RedToothBrush · 17/06/2017 22:37

About the Telegraph front page.

Robert Hutton‏*@RobDotHutton*

Boost to May as it emerges that the Tories plotting to get rid of her don't understand the Tory leadership rules

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/06/2017 22:38

Barring genuine illness etc, the Tories only have 2 sensible choices about when to replace May:

1.	She goes over the Summer before the Party Conference 

2.	or she sees through Brexit and then goes after that, to take the blame for the expected fallout and give the new leader the best possible chance

The Ultras would be wrecking their party's limited prospects if they bring down May any other time.
Question is: Are they that fanatical when it comes to the crunch ?

Of course, if May has already been replaced in option 1) they would be trying to bring about the FOURTH Tory leader in only a year or two
That would descend into total farce, with the entire world enjoying the show.

annandale · 17/06/2017 22:44

Surely by that time bigchoc the whole world would be ignoring the circus?

HashiAsLarry · 17/06/2017 22:57

Boost to May as it emerges that the Tories plotting to get rid of her don't understand the Tory leadership rules
Since when has a Tory ever thought rules applied to them? Confused