If you want to leave the EU and voted Labour, tell your MP or candidate

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The Labour manifesto promised to honour the referendum result, leave the EU, end freedom of movement and leave the single market.

I am aware that not everyone who voted Labour wants to leave the EU, but many do. In addition many who voted remain want to see the referendum result honoured even though they would not have chosen to leave initially.

Many people, including politicians, are now trying to present votes for Labour as votes against Brexit, against leaving the single market and in favour of freedom of movement. This is the opposite of what is in the Labour manifesto, and is a lie.

If you voted Labour believing that Labour would honour the referendum result and their manifesto promises to leave the EU, leave the single market and end freedom of movement, please be aware that some people are trying to "reinterpret" your vote as a vote against Brexit.

It looks like Brexit will be negotiated by a cross party group, and the views of Labour MPs and the Labour party are very important.

A "soft" Brexit, in the single market and with freedom of movement, is basically no Brexit. It just means we carry on as we are but without being party to EU decision making.

If you are concerned about this, you should consider letting your MP know. You should be able to find their email by googling.

But Cross, you've been so clear that we must read the Labour manifesto exactly as you say it means and have been so helpful in correcting other people's dreadful misunderstandings.

Now you tell me I've misread the Red Bus incorrectly, this means I've done a dreadful injustice to its true meaning - why won't you help me to understand it?😥

Oooh are you decorating your bathroom elements

'Fraid not, Rufus - we were actually planning to do our kitchen this year, but being Remoaning Traitors we've decided to Talk Britain Down by keeping our savings in the bank because of the utter omnishambles of the past year great uncertainty as to when/how wonderful the Sunlit Uplands will be.

histiny actually if I had been a Cinservative voter, I would do the same TBH.
Because you can be conservative AND having voted Remain. There are plenty of them around actually....

elements

Oh shame, we are going to try and do more in the garden. But dh and ds1 are going to have to do the grunt work to save money

Especially as ds1 is off to uni

Croos I have to laugh at the idea that labour is tricking their voters but somehow the Tories dont.

So the Tories have the most MPs but not a full majority. They are already saying that their manifesto will have to be changed/watered down because of that. More and more Tories are being very vocal about the fact they don't want a hard brexit.
Just as they've done many U turns during the elections and before. Which means that basically the Tories have massively tricked their voters.

Or maybe, that's just politics for you and no one party is much better than the other on that score

Apparently not, Pink.

See, what you didn't know was that this election was a 2nd Referendum and if you voted for one of the two-horses in the two-horse race over 80% it meant that you voted to leave. Yes, I have seen this said.

Imagine the horror: you want to leave the EU, vote Cons according to their manifesto and then got Anna Soubroy, Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve or Nicky Morgan as your MP! Those poor souls.

Sorry cross

I got distracted

Interesting thread

Okay, whilst it's always lovely to chat with my old referendum board chums, I will just summarise the most common responses from remain supporters to my OP so far and then need to go and do some work

1. OP you should have started a thread on something else

2. Thanks for the OP and I am now writing to my Labour MP in support of remain. Ya boo sucks

3. Labour's manifesto was a lie. They don't want to Brexit, leave the SM and end FOM anyway

4. It's all irrelevant and if you believe in democracy, just wait and see.

5. Sarcasm on various points from Elements

Laters

OP you should have started a thread on something else

That wasn't my response! I was just wondering why your OP was limited to people who voted Labour?

Anyway, I think Labour fudged the brexit issue completely - they seem to have buried their head in the sand. Not edifying.

However, the Cons approach to Brexit is worse - full of aggression, lies/minimization/rich people screwing over poor people and Boris Johnson.

Democracy IS in a sorry state.

You make me laugh cross

Because the idea of writing to your MP has been one raised in a different thread. And I hadn't done anything about it yet.
You REALLY have reminded me of that.

I don't understand why anyone who is dead keen to see immigration controlled voted labour.

The Brexit stuff was a bit fudgey but it clearly states that they aren't aiming to set targets.

Jeremy Corbyn categorically refused to rule out it going UP.

This is one of the reasons I felt happy voting for them.

People were just asked leave the EU Yes or No.

Maybe we should have another referendum with about 18 bloody options.

For a lot of people it wasn't about leaving the single market.

It was never stated we would, or wouldn't.

Ooh burn! Sarcasm is very very bad, who knew?

I'm sorry but I'm going to shout (but just with intial letters or it will take me too long to type, perhaps just slightly raising voice but with emphatic hand gestures)

I Don't Mind If I Have Reminded Remain Supporters To Write To Their MPs. I Believe In Democracy Not Just Some People Making More Noise Than Other People To Get Their Way.

Please Stop Making Ya Boo Sucks Comments To Me, Those Who Are

As you were...

I don't think it's democratic to leave the single market.

I Believe In Democracy Not Just Some People Making More Noise Than Other People To Get Their Way.

Does it include hearing again and again from a party with very few MPs and voters just because they happen to sing along the same line than you (I'm talking about UKIP of course there)
Does it also include not putting pressure in the BBC to relate news in a certain way (or risk loosing their funding)?
Etc
And does it also include the fact that when people voted with a very small majority (and not the full majority) for Brexit they didn't specify what sort if Brexit they wanted?

Then yes I fully agree with you.

Can't we all just agree that the referendum was a very silly mistake pushed forward by the very silly Farage and pretend it never happened?

Well, personally, I think we should all leap off this here cliff without a parachute, because just over half of us decided on this course of action, believing that there is a pink fluffy cloud to catch us.

Especially as it appears that a further quarter of us, despite agreeing that it would be a rather bad idea to leap off this cliff without a parachute and don't believe in the pink fluffy cloud, think that we really should go ahead and jump because it's been decided.

And the final quarter of us, who believe in gravity and big rocks at the bottom of the cliff and don't want anyone to jump of the cliff, are very naughty people because everybody knows that if they would just get on board with the jumping project, then the pink fluffy cloud will pop into existence and carry us off to the sunlit uplands!

If you voted Cons and don't want to spend billions in N.Ireland in a DUP deal, then tell your MP or candidate because that certainly wasn't in their manifesto at all.

If you voted Cons because you wanted more grammar schools, tell your Cons candidate/MP. It looks like that might not be happening despite being a flagship policy.

I have already written to my Tory MP to ask him what he thinks about his party getting into bed with the DUP and why - having advocated and campaigned for Remain - he is now convinced that Brexit is a wise move. He hasn't replied.
If my MP was Labour I would certainly be writing to him/her to say that my vote was a vote for better NHS/social services/education/wealth distribution and should categorically NOT be construed as a vote for Brexit.

It does seem funny that we are expected to clarify the party that's not in charge over details in their manifesto that they are unable to carry out and not the party in charge who are in power and making strange alliances, u-turns and changes all over the place.

From two days ago if you missed it tiny
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/13/brexit-negotiations-cross-party-support-jeremy-corbyn

I have written to my Labour MP supporting their manifesto pledge to focus on retaining the single market, jobs and the economy when discussing Brexit and that I have interpreted their emphasis on always putting those first to mean that if Brexit were to mean damage to any of them then we would halt the process and stay in.