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Brexit

If you want to leave the EU and voted Labour, tell your MP or candidate

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CrossWordSalad · 14/06/2017 11:39

The Labour manifesto promised to honour the referendum result, leave the EU, end freedom of movement and leave the single market.

I am aware that not everyone who voted Labour wants to leave the EU, but many do. In addition many who voted remain want to see the referendum result honoured even though they would not have chosen to leave initially.

Many people, including politicians, are now trying to present votes for Labour as votes against Brexit, against leaving the single market and in favour of freedom of movement. This is the opposite of what is in the Labour manifesto, and is a lie.

If you voted Labour believing that Labour would honour the referendum result and their manifesto promises to leave the EU, leave the single market and end freedom of movement, please be aware that some people are trying to "reinterpret" your vote as a vote against Brexit.

It looks like Brexit will be negotiated by a cross party group, and the views of Labour MPs and the Labour party are very important.

A "soft" Brexit, in the single market and with freedom of movement, is basically no Brexit. It just means we carry on as we are but without being party to EU decision making.

If you are concerned about this, you should consider letting your MP know. You should be able to find their email by googling.

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LurkingHusband · 14/06/2017 16:25

We got a Labour MP, despite being tipped to get a Tory.

I wrote to them about an hour after they won to congratulate them, but let them know when the next election comes, they would not get my vote if there if they are wedded to Leave.

www.writetothem.com/

They may take a while to get back to you, as the infrastructure of a new parliament needs to be plumbed in.

TheElementsSong · 14/06/2017 17:23

Thank you Cross for starting this thread Flowers. Having read extensively about this on MN, I (and DH) have written to our new Labour MP making our views on Brexit crystal clear.

CrossWordSalad · 14/06/2017 18:15

You are very welcome Elements Flowers

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InfiniteSheldon · 14/06/2017 23:03

I have done the same thank you for the push, Labour campaigned on a promise to honour this it's really wrong to reinterpret votes to mean something they didn't.

MrsKenningtonBag · 14/06/2017 23:18

I'm a labour remainer voter. This was in the manifesto.

Strong emphasis on retaining benefits of single market & customs union

Not putting immigration over jobs and Jeremy Corbyn refused to even say immigration wouldn't go up.

If you want to leave the EU and voted Labour, tell your MP or candidate
MrsKenningtonBag · 14/06/2017 23:20

There has to be some sort of a compromise, because at the moment absolutely no one seems to be getting what they want.

CrossWordSalad · 15/06/2017 08:15

MrsKennington The Labour manifesto had a clear statement that

Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union

which means leaving the Single Market as the EU have always been very clear that the four freedoms are indivisible.

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LurkingHusband · 15/06/2017 08:23

For what it's worth, I think the manifesto is irrelevant.

It'll be the next manifesto that will be key. The one before the election we will be having before too long.

CrossWordSalad · 15/06/2017 08:44

The latest Ashcroft is quite illuminating

lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/06/result-happen-post-vote-survey/

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CrossWordSalad · 15/06/2017 08:46

From the Ashcroft poll

If you want to leave the EU and voted Labour, tell your MP or candidate
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MrsKenningtonBag · 15/06/2017 09:18

What they've done is word to appeal to everybody.

Though I'm not really clear on why people want to leave the single market so badly.

Is there any poll data on how many leave voters want to leave the single market?

If it's to do with immigration then they've said both that FOM will end AND that immigration won't be placed over jobs and might go up. Hmmmmm.

MrsKenningtonBag · 15/06/2017 09:22

Based on that poll Cross if you could the blue as hard Brexit, the grey as it's done now just get on with it (people I don't imagine being bothered overly much about SM) and hard remainers is 50/50

No party is going to get an overall majority without a fair amount of leavers and remainers.

God knows how it will pan out.

CrossWordSalad · 15/06/2017 09:48

What they've done is word to appeal to everybody

I think you are probably right on that. I have asked Labour supporters why, if they believe Labour want to stay in the EU and would not Brexit if they had won, Labour didn't say that in their manifesto. But no-one has answered. Otherwise they are just tricking leave supporters to vote for them. It seems some Labour supporters wouldn't have a problem with this which I find very strange, and totally anti-democratic. (I'm not saying that is Labour's strategy btw).

On the single market, I believe most leave voters have ending freedom of movement and leaving the single market as their red line. There is little point leaving the EU without doing these, in fact it just increases the power of the EU over the UK as we would not be participating in decision making.

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PippaFawcett · 15/06/2017 09:50

I voted Labour and I will write to tell them he will only get my vote again if he backs the wishes of his constituents which was Remain. Thanks for the reminder, OP!

TheElementsSong · 15/06/2017 09:55

Well, if there was nothing wrong with putting "Vote Leave to give £350 million per week for the NHS" on the side of a bus, why get all concerned about voters being lied to now? The lesson politicians have learned from the EURef is that anything goes to get people to vote for your side, after which you can just say "Ah, that was just an illustration".

CrossWordSalad · 15/06/2017 09:56

So Pippa you are expecting Labour to do the opposite of their manifesto commitment? Why do you think they put honouring the referendum, leaving the single market and ending freedom of movement in their manifesto?

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LurkingHusband · 15/06/2017 09:57

This is a war, so there's strategy, and tactics.

The strategy is to reverse the - at best dodgy - decision of 23rd June.

The first tactic was to stop the Tories. Job done ?

Let's wait and see what the parties promise for the next election.

CrossWordSalad · 15/06/2017 09:58

Elements As you well know that was not the slogan on the side of the bus.

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CrossWordSalad · 15/06/2017 10:00

Oh, another one who is happy to destroy democracy to get their way, super.

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CrossWordSalad · 15/06/2017 10:03

LH All you've got to do is work out a way of ensuring that decisions are taken out of the hands of the ignorant, deluded and generally inferior majority, and then job done. Fabulous.

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TheElementsSong · 15/06/2017 10:03

Cross did I not get it word-perfect? So sorry. That of course renders my entire previous post irrelevant.

Perhaps you would care to interpret the text on the bus for me, so I understand the True Message.

If you want to leave the EU and voted Labour, tell your MP or candidate
histinyhandsarefrozen · 15/06/2017 10:06

Why wouldn't we let our Cons/Lib Dem/SNP etc MP's know as well?

What am I not getting here?

CrossWordSalad · 15/06/2017 10:13

I will leave you to analyse the difference between your wording and the actual wording Elements and to decide whether the wording used matters.

histiny Indeed, and this thread also (as all threads need to cover all possible actions/topics, and must not be started to discuss a specific topic which the IP wishes to discuss) needs to cover international aid policy, what I'm going to buy from Aldi later, my mil and what shade of blue Elements will choose for redecorating her bathroom and all other issues.

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PinkPeppers · 15/06/2017 10:16

Thanks for that thread.

It has just reminded ne to write to my MP to remind them that, even though I have voted labour, this was NOT an acceptance for a hard brexit or brexit at all (because lets be honest, there isnt a party that is actually currently representing the 48% of the population that has voted NO to get of the EU)
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Goes to find email address of my new Labour MP (instead of the old Tory)

histinyhandsarefrozen · 15/06/2017 10:18

Ok, I'm in a Cons maj constituency so it doesn't apply to me.