Westministenders: The Zombie PM

[RedToothBrush]

Back from the dead, May carries on whilst the vultures circle.

She had tried to out smart her rivals by running of to the palace to tell the queen she could form a government before they could act.

Definitely she stood and pretended nothing had changed. Except everything had. The wrath of her party was unleashed and there was open revolt. She has been summoned to appear before men in grey suits tomorrow at 5pm to hear their verdict.

How do she decide to make amends and reach out to moderate Tories? By sleeping with the DUP. And appointing Gove to her Cabinet.

How long will this last? How long can it last?

I have to agree with Peregrina, the fewer referendums the better. The two votes within a year show up how totally unpredictable votes are.

And it's clear is many people haven't the remotest grasp of the issues wrt Brexit. I don't see the point of asking them again.

It's time for politicians to do their job, step up and unite their parties with a workable deal the country can get behind. (Hahaha)

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/tom-bradby-theresa-may-s-election-gamble-leaves-us-more-in-limbo-than-ever-a3563801.html

"What it means for the governing party is rather clearer:
two or three — or, if they are very lucky, more — years of hard grind.

It is now evident that there is no Commons majority for a hard Brexit and probably not for leaving the single market either.

We look as if we are slipping towards some version of the Norway model, which would give us most of the advantages, costs and obligations of being in the EU without any say over how it is run.
< without a 2nd referendum buggering this up >

If this turns out to be so, then someone will have to explain to the British people what the point of leaving the EU was in the first place.

The Conservative Party might, in short, ending up clutching closely to its bosom the greatest political turkey of modern times.
What happens after that is frankly anyone’s guess.

I have to agree with Peregrina, the fewer referendums the better.

Fair enough. But how many of the 48% - like me - will go to their grave convinced we were duped in an unfair fight where that **ing Big Red Bus lie was allowed to stand. Especially if - as nearly all Remain supporters feel - we have to see our children and their children worse off as a result.

We have a referendum at least once every five years anyway. So it's a little bit rich to somehow claim we never do it.

Where is a Joni des nos jours to pen "Big Red Bus" ?

"... they put up a lie, and denied it ever since ..."

If there was another referendum there would have to be a key facts film in very simple terms to go out like an advert at different times of the day to show likely outcomes for leave or remain and the impact on their everyday life.
Even then there are many stupid people who have nothing but stubbornness going for them and those who like a drama and want a change.
On balance it would probably be the same result and we'd look even more ridiculous.

BigChoc Fianna Fáil plans to start contesting NI elections from 2019. DUP deal,is not bad news for SF, UI, is the endgame.

If there was another referendum there would have to be a key facts film

It would need to have some sort of qualification criteria.

It would need to have both options laid out in terms of "what happens next" - certainly up to the end of the parliament.

It would need to be binding.

In short, it would need to correct the clusterfuck that the last one caused, and - guess what - were criticised at the time.

I have to be honest. I believed the Remain claim that a vote for leave would plunge the UK into absolute chaos, and that Brexit would dominate the future to the exclusion of all else. However, with the benefit of hindsight, I would suggest they woefully underestimated by how much.

Here we are, a week after an election. No government. No parliament. No way of passing any legislation. Meanwhile, in the outside world, peoples lives are starting to grind to a halt. Court rulings and judgements which suggest a legislative intervention are frozen.

Thank goodness this all happened in one of the Worlds stable periods. It would have been worrying if things elsewhere weren't stable.

Matthew Goodwin‏*@GoodwinMJ*

Of the 20 seats where Lab vote increased most dramatically, on average the dominant group is 30-44 yr olds, not 18-24
Of 20 seats where Cons suffered their heaviest losses the average Leave vote was 30%, all but 1 in London & dominant age group 30-44 yrs old
In 20 seats where Cons made most gains on avg 94% ppl are white. In 20 seats where Cons suffered heaviest losses on avg 64% ppl white
It's that passport thing again. In 20 seats where Con vote down most 5.6% don't have passport. In 20 seats where Con vote up most 24% don't

www.independent.co.uk/voices/election-tories-labour-corbyn-fire-service-dangerous-cuts-a7773826.html

@SinghLions
Sikh Gurudwaras in London have started collecting and distributing spare clothes, toys, toiletries for #GrenfellTower evacuees! #Share

Yet again British Sikhs step in to the rescue. In the absence of more formal tory or DUP government assistance.

Where the fuck is May? There's a couple of threads asking that too.

London fire: How you can help those affected by the Grenfell Tower block blaze 'There is a number available for anyone who is at all worried about their loved ones or friends or family,' says Sadiq Khan

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-fire-how-you-can-help-grenfell-tower-block-blaze-residents-affected-donate-a7789036.html

Ironically, the govt are unintentionally giving Remain its best chance:
They are in total chaos and can't even start to negotiate.

If they don't quickly grab the readymade EEA / EFTA option and start tuning it, then the only options within the time limit are the 2 extremes:

• Remain - the (exasperated) E27 would probably agree
• or crash out without a deal - and without any preparation for coping without a deal.

Either option would cause a Tory civil war
However, sane heads in the Tory party would realise that after a humiliating climbdown they can return after a GE or two.
A chaotic exit with economic meltdown would keep them out of power for a generation

The local church and the local mosque are rallying around offering help to displaced fire victims

The Met confirms 6 dead so far

Re firefighter cuts, yet another example that calculating the supply of essential services on costs rather than needs is shameful.

Multicultural London - "Citizens of Nowhere ?" - pulling together while PM May is ... Nowhere to be found.

When the going gets tough, she gets going and hides

I voted remain and think another referendum on the EU would be a bad idea. The Look what happened to the SNP when they proposed Indyref 2 up here on Scotland (it wasn't the only factor but you can bet it influenced a lot of votes).

At this stage, I think the best we can hope for is as soft a Brexit as possible.

Whether that will happen is another matter. What an almighty mess this is.

The news about Grenfell Tower is just terrible. 6 deaths is bad enough but it's going to rise, isn't it? Those poor people.

Next time someone considers voting for cuts to services,
think how you'd feel if you had to throw your babies and your little kids out of high windows, to try to save them from burning to death

A second ref on this would be a little pointless, even with checks and measures. People don't like admitting they've been duped, and any facts and figures will probably not sway their view. The only difference would possibly be some engagement of the youth vote that was missing last time.

think another referendum on the EU would be a bad idea. The Look what happened to the SNP when they proposed Indyref 2 up here on Scotland (it wasn't the only factor but you can bet it influenced a lot of votes).

That's true. The anti Indyref contingent have flocked to the Tories in protest. I think another EU ref right now would be a bad idea. But maybe a ref on what's on offer at the end of negotiations might be a different prospect.

Grenfell apparently had recently had a refurbishment. Could you imagine how much worse this could have been without all those 'nasty' eu health and safety laws?

I'd be up for a properly run ref at the end of the process. If they're going to get such a good deal, or if no deal is a great option then there's nothing to worry about is there

Sounds like the refurbishment was more for cosmetic reasons than anything else. To benefit the neighbours' eyes.

hashi that's just what I was going to say.

As a general point, as I don't know what's happened here except it's a tragedy, the quality of British housing and particularly public and rented housing is a dangerous, extortionate joke.

EU H&S and building regs can save lives. The HSE is another essential civil service which has been decimated.

Local council housing departments have been destroyed too.

I remember well built, well maintained, expansive, affordable estates of safe council houses.

Citizen action to help: and still no sign of May:

www.trendsmap.com/local/gb/cambridge

@ BigChoc it's just heartbreaking to even think of it. Completely agree essential services sound be predicated on need.

@ Squoosh I think the Scottish Tories seized an opportunity and ran with it. My local candidate was touting himself as 'the only one who could beat the SNP'. He didn't but it was very close.

I hope some one in public office is pursued for liability here. This is public housing?

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